Competitive · testing & combos
What players worked out
533 testing and customisation discussions, from the Plastics era to Beyblade X: what each part turned out to be good for, and where the answer was never agreed.
- 533discussions digested, 2007–2025
- 6generations covered, Beyblade X the busiest
- 48%ended without agreement
About this page
The WBO's customisation boards are where players settle what a part is actually for: someone builds a combination, others test it against theirs, and over a few dozen posts an answer emerges — or does not. We read 533 of those discussions and condensed each into a line or two of what they found, in our own words, keeping the parts and combinations exactly as the people testing them wrote them.
A long discussion runs to several pages and the crawl kept the opening one, so 129 of these were read from their first 25 posts and are marked with a plus. What we say they found is what those posts say; a later page may have moved on.
An unsettled argument is marked as one. It is a real outcome and more useful than a verdict we invented. These threads were found by their titles rather than by which board they sit on, because those boards' listings were never captured, so a handful of sale posts and unanswered questions were read and set aside rather than shown here. Read on September 19, 2026; every discussion links back to worldbeyblade.org.
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Every discussion
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Ultimate Reboot’ vs Destroy’ vs Xtreme’
Posters debated which attack driver hits hardest in raw stats terms, with most favouring Xtreme' for its speed despite weaker stamina and LAD, while Destroy' and Ultimate Reboot' were defended as having more stamina and life-after-death even though one commenter first dismissed Ultimate Reboot' as garbage; the same commenter then refined a Judgment Dragon II build by swapping the lighter Go disc and 1' driver for a heavier 0 driver and Diabolos I core to better balance the recoil.
Argued, never settled
- Judgment Dragon II Go 1' Turn Xtreme'
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Hold’ vs Volcanic’
This longer re-run of the same Hold' versus Volcanic' question added detail on launch technique, with one poster describing how to nudge a flat launch sideways to steer an awakened Volcanic' into its stall faster, but the group still split over whether either driver reliably beats Mobile Attack combos, and some questioned whether running an attack setup on either driver even made sense.
Argued, never settled
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Hold'
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Volcanic'
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[BST] Overlooked Parts Discussion and Testing
Bladers evaluated a list of overlooked Zero-G parts, largely agreeing Massive and Armed drivers offered little beyond minor defense while Wing and Fusion drew mixed opinions; one poster argued Odin Heavy Fusion could outspin a top defense build and win by both burst and stadium-out, but others questioned whether that margin, or Fusion's versatility, actually beat proven drivers like Survive or Claw, and the exchange ended without agreement.
Argued, never settled
- SA165EWD
- Valkyrie Heavy Fusion
- Odin Heavy Fusion
- Valkyrie Accel
- Valkyrie Survive
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[LTD] MF-H Gravity Perseus (Stamina) 85RB
A dual-spin, low-track Gravity Perseus (Stamina) 85RB build was proposed as a weak-launched anti-attack setup, its short 85 track and Perseus's defensive head meant to blunt early hits before Gravity's bowl-like shape and the RB tip's grip carried it through the rest of a match; a later exchange argued at length over whether Bearing Drive-based stamina setups are really harder to knock out than alternatives like W145WD or 230D, with one side calling an existing comparison test incomplete, leaving that specific question unresolved.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Gravity Perseus (Stamina) 85RB
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[LTD] The Metal Fury Project - Phase 2 - Stamina
Community stamina testing on Hasbro's Metal Fury metal wheels found Duo beating Burn in the 85-95% range and Earth around 60-65%, but losing more often to Scythe, pointing to a rough stamina order of Scythe, Earth, Burn, Duo and Phantom from strongest to weakest; the number of knockouts Duo suffered against Burn left at least one tester wanting more rounds before treating that order as settled.
Argued, never settled
- Scythe Cancer 230D
- Gravity Perseus D125GCF
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[MF] Meteo L-Drago Attack Usage - Discussion and Testing Thread
Testing found Meteo L-Drago on a low 100 track with an RF tip beating Pegasis 145RF 16-4, and dominating the top defensive Earth Bull C145WB 19-1 and the stamina-focused Burn Bull 145SD 18-2, but losing 6-14 to its same-wheel rival Lightning L-Drago on a CH120 track, which testers read as showing Meteo's clearest weakness is other left-spin attackers; informal testing at greater heights performed worse, confirming 100 as the strongest track for the build.
- MF Meteo L-Drago 100RF
- MF Lightning L-Drago CH120RF
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[PLA] Banning certain Screw Zeus combinations
Testers worked out that Screw Zeus's uneven, protruding shape only mates cleanly with narrow two-spike attack rings like Holy Despell and War Lion, while wide or three-winged rings such as the Dark series, Galzzly, Galman and Gaia Dragoon have to be forced on and bend the parts, and proposed banning the worst-fitting pairings (Dragon Breaker, Hasbro Twin Horn, Dark Wing) rather than a broad incompatibility rule, though they still disagreed on how loosely Dragon Saucer and Great Dragon actually fit.
Argued, never settled
- Dragon Breaker + Screw Zeus
- Dragon Saucer + Screw Zeus
- Great Dragon + Screw Zeus
- White Gabriel G + Screw Zeus
- Free Wing Base + Heavy WD + Screw Zeus
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[STD] Dragooon BD145GF: Possibly tier-list Worthy?
Extended round testing had Killerken Dragooon BD145GF beating Genbull-based stamina soundly and running close with Duo Cancer depending on the exact track and bottom used, plus strong results against an attacking rival build, but it lost heavily to a right-spin BD145 rival and to other Dragooon-based stamina setups, leaving contributors leaning toward tier-list consideration without a final call recorded.
Argued, never settled
- Killerken Dragooon BD145GF
- Genbull Genbull B:D
- Duo Cancer B:D
- Genbull Dragoon LW105GF
- Killerken Dragoon D125GF
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[Takara Tomy] Valkyrie DB core: Testing and Discussion
One tester swapped the Valkyrie core into an attack build and a defense build and concluded it helped the attacker but hurt the defender, but others rejected that conclusion as based on too few and uncompetitive test combinations, pointing to a tournament-winning Dynamite Valkyrie build and a separate test where a Valkyrie-cored stamina combo held up well against a strong attacker; no shared verdict on the core's real effect was reached.
Argued, never settled
- Awakened Savior Ragnaruk Giga Quick'-7
- Dynamite Belial Nexus Nothing-2+F
- Awakened Savior Valkyrie Giga Quick'-7
- Dynamite Valkyrie Nexus Nothing-2+F
- Savior Ragnaruk Nexus Power-7
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{UPDATED} Gatinko Competitive Combos Testing
The tester concluded Ace Valkyrie with Retsu, Blitz and Ultimate Reboot was their strongest right-spin attacker, winning most of its matches at 70-90%, though it lost heavily to Hell Salamander's stamina-focused Proof/Xtend+ build and to Cho-Z Spriggan on Wall/Bearing; the Slash layer base was judged too burst-prone to be worth using on any driver tried.
- Ace Valkyrie/Retsu/Blitz/UltReboot
- Ace Dragon/Retsu/Blitz/UltReboot
- Ace Valkyrie/Retsu/Sting/UltimateReboot
- Grand Dragon/Zan/Blitz/Destroy
- Slash Dragon/Zan/Sting/Charge
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5 combos to use if you don't have Cho-Z
lilphilyb listed several pre-Cho-Z combinations built around Genesis Valtryek, Spryzen Requiem and Luinor for burst resistance and weight, and the replies shifted into a prolonged, unresolved argument over whether Hasbro-only layers such as Jinnius, Noctemis and Nemesis can compete with left-spin and Cho-Z opponents.
Argued, never settled
- God Valkyrie/Genesis Valtryek.0V.X
- Spriggan/Spryzen Requiem.0B.Br
- Nightmare Longinus/Luinor.B.Octa
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A Miscellaneous Testing Thread
Across a wide set of one-off matchups collected from several testers, 4Glaive Zephyr and Variable attack setups on Xcalius, Spryzen and Treptune consistently beat Orbit-based stamina builds on Kerbeus, Anubion and Jormuntor, usually by clear margins, with Unicrest's Orbit setup as the lone stamina build to turn the tables decisively. Separately, 7Cross Bearing overwhelmed 7Cross Atomic in same-layer defense trials on Fafnir and Garuda, winning nearly every round.
- Kerbeus 4Glaive Orbit
- Xcalius X2 4Glaive Variable
- Anubion A2 4Glaive Orbit
- Jormuntor J2 4Glaive Orbit
- Spryzen S2 4Glaive Zephyr
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A Nice Combo i made
Dranzer206 shared an attack build centred on Dranzer GT, and another blader confirmed it performs well without the extra weight piece and also works with Driger G's or Master Dragoon's attack ring, while a side exchange compared Upper Dragoon and Triangle Wing, noting Upper Dragoon suits right spin better and Triangle Wing suits left spin.
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absurd but great combo!!!
A poster claimed a Trypio AR / 10 Heavy / Orca Divers combination stayed undefeated against several plastic Beyblades including Dranzer S and a Master Dranzer, crediting its very low base for easy knockouts, but other bladers argued the wins only held up in Hasbro stadiums and that the build was otherwise mediocre at best, leaving its real strength unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Trypio AR + 10 Heavy WD + Orca Divers BB
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Any popular combos that uses only dranzer parts?
A blader asked for viable all-Dranzer combinations, and the exchange debated whether Dranzer S's attack ring is worth using given its recoil and balance issues, ultimately favouring Master Dranzer's Turtle Survivor ring paired with a Wide Survivor for a survival-mode build.
Argued, never settled
- Master Dranzer AR (Turtle Survivor) + Wide Survivor + ACB base
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Ark Bahamut Testing
Despite Ark Bahamut's reputation for poor teeth, stock testing against several right-spin attack and defense combinations (including Legend Spriggan and Sieg Xcalibur variants) showed it winning most matchups by outspinning or bursting the opponent, with win rates ranging from 50 to 80 percent depending on the attacker's driver. The tester stressed this only shows Ark Bahamut performs better than its reputation suggests, not that it is competitively viable, and follow-up testing against other requested combinations was still pending at the end of the excerpt.
- Ark Bahamut 2B Atomic
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Atomic Testing and Discussion
Atomic beat both Revolve and Survive convincingly when tested on the same Unicrest Knuckle build, and edged out Revolve again on Doomscizor's Glaive setup, showing an attack edge over those alternatives. A side discussion about which numbered Forge Disc gives the best stamina produced conflicting claims, first favouring discs 2 and 4 before another poster corrected that 0 and 7 perform best, leaving that particular ranking unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Unicrest Knuckle Revolve
- Unicrest Knuckle Atomic
- Unicrest Knuckle Survive
- Doomscizor D2 2Glaive Revolve
- Doomscizor D2 6Glaive Atomic
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Attack types have more usage? Combo+competitive stuff
After a rule change made knockouts worth two points in Limited deck format, bladers traded knockout-focused suggestions like Rage Helios2 3A Extreme and, for Limited specifically, Nightmare Longinus on a turn driver; one tester found Eclipse Genesis on the 0 disc with a turn driver could knock out stationary stamina/defense hybrids but burned through its own stamina quickly, while Geist Fafnir on the Nothing driver was praised for unusually strong knockout resistance because its weight loads the driver's centrifugal grip, and a free-spinning ball tip on Dynamite+F Giga was suggested for absorbing hits while keeping good stamina.
- Rage Helios2 3A Extreme
- Nightmare Longinus Turn Xtreme
- Eclipse Genesis 0 Turn Xtreme
- Geist Fafnir Nothing
- Dynamite+F Giga free-spin ball tip
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Bakushin Wheel Testing
Testing found Bakushin performed well on offense against an Earth Bull defense build (about 70%) and held up defensively against Lightning L-Drago (about 65%), but its Sagittario stamina builds were mixed, beating one Earth Sagittario variant only about 40% of the time while beating a Burn Sagittario variant about 70%; posters generally agreed Bakushin worked best as a defense wheel, while debating just how strong an attacker it really was against top-tier wheels of the time.
Argued, never settled
- Bakushin Unicorno 90RF
- MF Bakushin Bull R145WB
- Bakushin Sagittario DF145B
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Balkesh B3 Testing and Discussion
Balkesh B3's 0Bump Bearing setup won the overwhelming majority of its stamina rounds, routinely beating Noctemis, Caynox and Archer Hercules by wide margins, and its plain 7 Bearing build blanked a Bump Orbit Luinor. It struggled far more against attack-oriented opponents, losing badly to Garuda's 7Cross Atomic layer and splitting evenly with Fafnir on matching Atomic setups.
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Luinor L3 Bump Orbit
- Balkesh B3 7Glaive Atomic
- Fafnir F3 7Glaive Atomic
- Balkesh B3 0Bump Bearing
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BBG-3/4 Zero-G Stadium Attack Type Discussion
Early testing in the new Zero-G stadium found that layer shape mattered less than overall weight and, especially, the track and tip underneath, since attacks work by rocking the wobbling stadium itself rather than through direct contact; narrower, taller tips like CS handled the stadium's tilt well, while wide tips stayed balanced but became vulnerable once an opponent got the stadium swaying hard, and a requested test of Variares on a mode-changing driver reportedly produced nothing useful.
- MSF Ifraid Ifraid W145CF
- MSF Saramanda Saramanda 230SD
- MSF Saramanda Saramanda 230RS
- MSF Ifraid Ifraid AD145WD
- MSF Ifraid Saramanda D125CS
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Best Attack Type Drivers
Responders ranked Xtreme, Hunter and Jolt as the top attack drivers despite their tendency to wear down, with Destroy offered as a longer-lasting alternative, and Atomic noted as an unconventional attack choice with heavy discs against round-shaped opponents like D2, though posters disagreed on how often Hunter and Jolt actually appear in current tournament play.
Argued, never settled
- 4Glaive Xcalius X3 (Hasbro-only)
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Best Beyblade burst Super Z/GT combos!
Bladers shared their personal favourite Super Z and GT-era setups, including Judgment Asura, Swei Diabolos and Hell Salamander builds, and one poster listed a whole toolbox of go-to combinations covering all-around attack, opposite-spin equalizing and defense roles. This stayed a running list of individually favoured combinations rather than a comparison that settled on a single best build.
- Judgment Asura Sting Zeta' Retsu
- Swei Diabolos 0 Turn Dimension
- Hell Salamander 10Cross Eternal
- Zwei Longinus Sting Accel' Metsu
- Yamiterios 00 Sting Power
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Best Slash Valkyrie combo
Testers favoured pairing Slash Valkyrie's Blitz disc with an attack driver such as Xtreme' over Sting, since Blitz reportedly performed worse on Sting and synced well across the whole Valkyrie line, while opinions differed on whether the Ultimate Reboot driver was genuinely strong or just okay.
Argued, never settled
- Slash Valkyrie Blitz Xtreme'
- Slash Valkyrie Blitz Ultimate Reboot'
- Bl Qc' Retsu
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Best TT stock combo 2020
Lord Spriggan, Naked Spriggan and Super Hyperion were weighed as the strongest single stock buys for testing against Hasbro builds, while a side argument over whether the Union layer or a Slash Achilles Blitz Xtreme' Goku build was the better right-spin attacker went unresolved.
Argued, never settled
- Lord Spriggan
- Naked Spriggan
- Super Hyperion
- Slash Achilles Blitz Xtreme' Goku
- Slash Diabolos Blitz Xtreme'
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Beyblade Burst Competitive Combos List & Public Discussion [TENTATIVE]
A running, member-revised list of top competitive Beyblade Burst combinations by role (attack, stamina, defense, hybrid, spin-equalizing) was updated repeatedly as new results came in, with contributors disputing whether Wyvern, Odin, Claw or Deathscyther deserved defense and stamina slots, eventually favouring Odin's stamina over Deathscyther's.
Argued, never settled
- Winning Valkyrie 7/0/10 (Meteor/Bump) Xtreme/Xtreme'/Hunter/Jolt
- Buster Xcalibur 7/0/10 (Meteor/Bump) Xtreme/Xtreme'/Hunter/Jolt
- Archer Hercules 7/10 Eternal/Revolve/Orbit/Atomic
- Crash Ragnaruk 7/10 Eternal/Revolve/Orbit/Atomic
- Revive Phoenix 7/0/10 (Cross/Glaive/Meteor/Bump) Orbit/Atomic/Friction
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Beyblade Burst Opposite spin tier list. Updated 8/12/19 12:58 A.M. Pacific Time
The author maintained and repeatedly revised a community tier list ranking opposite-spin driver and disc setups from a God tier of Wall Bearing builds down through Bearing- and Xtend+-based combinations to a bottom tier of Proof Ultimate Reboot setups. A commenter later flagged that some previously low-ranked combinations using dash drivers, such as Sr on Proof Destroy', were unexpectedly performing well, suggesting the list needed further revision rather than being treated as final.
- 00/0/7/10 Wall Bearing
- 00/0/7/10 Turn/Lift Bearing
- 00/0/7/10 Cross Xtend+
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Beyblade Burst: B-01, 02, 03, 04 Uncustomized Preliminary Testing & Impressions
Preliminary stock testing of the first four Beyblade Burst releases found Valkyrie Wing Accel beating Spriggan Spread Fusion in 65% of rounds and splitting evenly with Ragnaruk Heavy Survive, with testers blaming the Spriggan layer's recoil and weak burst resistance for its poor showing.
- Valkyrie Wing Accel
- Spriggan Spread Fusion
- Ragnaruk Heavy Survive
- Kerbeus Central Defense
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Beyblade Parts Testing Request (Explanation Required)
A structured parts-testing request format collected concrete results, including Libra outspinning Burn Bull across most rounds before a single late knockout, and Rock Leone with a WD145B bottom losing 4 rounds to 16 against LLDrago, taken as confirmation that Rock is not a strong defensive wheel.
- MF Vulcan Bull/Aquario/Gasher CH120 R2F/RF
- MF Burn Bull C145RF
- MF Libra C145WB
- Rock Leone WD145B
- LLDrago
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Beyblade Testing Strategies
Debate centred on correct testing procedure rather than any single matchup, disputing whether launching a Rubber Flat or Wide Ball bottom first introduces bias, given how differently the two bottoms lose spin energy over the same span of time.
Argued, never settled
- Quetz 90RF
- MF Libra C145WB
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Beyblade testing: didn't we miss something?
Debate centred on how 'top tier' should be defined for competitive Metal Fight combinations, disputing whether ranking should rest on win rate against a combination's usual matchup type or its performance across all types, using Gravity Perseus with a 90RF track/bottom's mixed record against attack, defense and stamina types as a case study, with no agreed definition reached.
Argued, never settled
- MF Gravity Perseus 90RF
- MF LEO H145RF
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Beyblade Theory Combos!
This collection of deliberately theoretical combos was explained through mode-changing gimmicks rather than test data, and in a few cases contributors candidly noted where the theory broke down in practice, such as Requiem paired with Wedge-S generating so much burst resistance that its spin-change gimmick could not trigger on its own.
- tN.0T.Xt (Twin Nemesis 0Turn Xtend)
- bX.1'a.Op
- gF.7W.Mr'
- tN Z Tw
- Requiem S3.7B.Wd-S
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Blaze Ragnaruk testing
Different testers reported very different outcomes for Blaze Ragnaruk: one found it roughly even with Odin across two launchers, another recorded a near shutout loss to Neptune on Heavy Revolve, and a third measured only a 25 to 45% win rate against Odin depending on the disc and driver used. No single win rate for the layer was ever agreed on.
Argued, never settled
- Blaze Ragnaruk Spread
- Blaze Ragnaruk Orbit
- Blaze Ragnaruk Heavy Revolve
- Blaze Ragnaruk Heavy Atomic
- Blaze Ragnaruk 4 Vortex Atomic
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Bounciest Beyblade Combo?
Several bladers converged on Union with a Generate ratchet and Go bit as the standout bouncy build, describing it as capable of both wild jumps and knockouts when it lands on an opponent, while a Diabolos-based version was said to burst more easily due to weaker teeth. Suggested alternatives built around the Operate bit were reported to bounce far less by comparison.
- Union Chip Generate Go
- Valkyrie Central Operate dash
- Grand Dragon 12 Operate Gen
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Brave Valkyrie Testing and Discussion
Testing against Lord Fafnir's stamina setup found Brave Valkyrie losing most rounds on both Quick' and Destroy' drivers, though it managed to outspin the opponent occasionally; switched to its Xtend+ defense mode, it won six of ten rounds against the same opponent's bearing setup, and its 2A six-bladed mode beat Master Bahamut 00Wall Bearing seven times out of ten. Discussion afterward disputed whether pitting an attack-type layer against opposite-spin stamina builds was even a fair test, with one poster arguing attack types cannot generate knockback in opposite-spin matchups and should instead be tested against same-spin opponents.
Argued, never settled
- Brave Valkyrie Quick' 2A
- Brave Valkyrie Destroy' 2A
- Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A
- Master Bahamut 00Wall Bearing
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Build me a combo ITA!
One tester reported a Wolf clear wheel on a 105 track with an SF bottom beating Pegasis 145RF about 95% of the time when launched with a strong sliding shoot, though they noted their own tip was somewhat worn and asked others to verify the percentage. A separate rubber-tipped Seaborg attack build was proposed but could not be tested for lack of a stadium.
Argued, never settled
- Wolf 105 SF
- Pegasis 145RF
- Seaborg attack combo
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Building a Plastic Top Tier List!
Contributors drafted a multi-tier list of top Plastics-era parts across attack, defence, balance and OHKO categories, naming candidates like Upper Dragoon and Triple Tiger for attack and Grip Base or Storm Grip for defence. Several entries, including how to classify Bluezee's Spiral Change Base spin-stealer, stayed marked as open questions, so the list remained a draft rather than a finished ranking.
Argued, never settled
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Burst Classic Testing and Discussion
In a ruleset that bans Hasbro Bearing, Doomscizor's Heavy Orbit build lost almost every round it played against other Heavy Orbit layers, mostly by getting burst, while Regulus and Anubion's Orbit setups fared far better against Evipero's Hunter driver, winning most of their rounds. A separate concern surfaced that Dragoon Fighter on a Proof-Xtreme driver combination might be too strong for the format, since its light weight lets it outspin almost everything even though a single hit can knock it out, but testers stopped short of calling it settled.
Argued, never settled
- Doomscizor Heavy Orbit
- Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit
- Satomb S3 Heavy Orbit
- Anubion A2 Heavy Orbit
- Regulus R3 Heavy Orbit
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Burst Classic Testing and Discussion
Under Classic-format rules, Psychic Phantom Heavy Xtreme' won a narrow majority of rounds against Wolborg Spread Orbit as a knockout attacker, and in a separate test Xcalibur Gravity Xtreme' completely shut out Gigant Gaia Heavy Eternal, taking almost no damage across the set. The tester noted these were promising early results for a mostly untested legacy format and invited further testing with additional legal parts, several of which were requested but not yet run.
- Psychic Phantom Heavy Xtreme'
- Wolborg Spread Orbit
- Xcalibur Gravity Xtreme'
- Gigant Gaia Heavy Eternal
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Burst Standard Competitive Combos (As of October 2019)
A curated list of standard-format competitive builds as of October 2019 covered a wide range of top layers including Zwei Diabolos, Judgement Diabolos, Lord Spriggan, Perfect Phoenix and Legend Spryzen. Replies clarified specific roles, such as using Legend Spryzen to switch spin direction after seeing an opponent's combo, and one poster suggested adding Dread Bahamut as another viable defensive pick.
- Zwei Diabolos Sting/00/10/0/7 (Bump/expand) Destroy'/Xtreme'/Quick'/Jolt'
- Judgement Diabolos Blitz/Gold Sting/Purple 0/00 (Bump/Expand) Destroy'/Xtreme'/Quick'
- Lord Spriggan Sting/00/10/0/7 (Bump/Expand) Destroy'/Xtreme'/Quick'
- Lord Spriggan Vanguard Rise
- Judgement Diabolos Blitz/Painted Sting Octa
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Championship giant spining stadium combos.
For a hypothetical giant, moving championship stadium, bladers reasoned that stable, low combos such as Compacts, Bistol on 10 Balance, or an uncustomized Advanced Eterner would fare better than sharp-tipped or bearing-based zombies, since the moving floor already destabilizes blades and could catch a sharp tip between the stadium and its spinning centre. No combo was actually battle-tested in such a stadium, and opinions on the best HMS versus Plastics pick did not fully agree.
Argued, never settled
- Bistol 10 Balance
- 10b Bistool
- Advanced Eterner / Circle Wide / Metal Semiflat
- Wolborg MS variant
- Metal Ape / CWD Defense Ring / Bearing Core
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Changes to WBO Competitive Gameplay: Balancing Competitive Combo's [Re: Libra]
Posters debated three options for the dominant Libra Wheel: leaving the rules unchanged, restricting it from pairing with a Metal Face or the heaviest 145-height tracks, or banning it outright. Most agreed pure-stamina combos already beat Libra decisively and top attack combos won only about half the time relying on the volatile RF tip, but no agreement was reached on which of the three options should be adopted.
Argued, never settled
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Check out my combo: Infinity
The original poster's claim that this build was nearly unbeatable was disputed by other members, who reported that an uncustomized, lower Kid Dragoon upper attacker won most matchups against it and that a different wide-tipped shaft or spin gear would beat it even faster, while the builder maintained (citing over 200 of his own tests) that it held up well overall.
Argued, never settled
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Cho-Z Valkyrie Testing Thread
Testers found the burst-stopper gimmick held up reliably, letting Cho-Z Valkyrie reach its final click without bursting even against Winning Valkyrie, and that the hard launch needed to trigger the wings also boosted its own Burst Attack. Xtreme and Jolt proved close to uncontrollable on it, while an unworn Variable driver and Plastic-generation drivers such as Accel gave steadier results, since the layer relies more on spin speed than momentum.
- Cho-Z Valkyrie.10C.Br
- Archer Hercules.7.Et
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Clear Wheels Stamina Testing
Several members ran solo-spin stamina timings across Clear Wheels such as Bull, Aquario, Aries, Cancer, Virgo and Capricorne using otherwise matched combos, and while the raw times varied a great deal between testers, rounder, fuller-ring wheels like Aquario and Capricorne tended to post stronger average times than the split-ring Bull, prompting debate over whether a continuous ring truly carries momentum better for stamina.
Argued, never settled
- Leone Earth (1st mold) DF145 SD (baseline, Clear Wheel swapped per test)
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Combo&Componenti
This kept a running list of the strongest Metal Fight combinations, pairing Storm Pegasis with RF for attack, Libra and Earth Aquario/Bull with heavier tracks for defense, and Virgo, Libra, Earth Gemios or Flame Sagittario/Cancer on DF145/D125 for stamina, while participants separately debated whether the D or SD bottom is more stable than WD and why the heavy GB145 track suits defensive builds; no single consensus was ever fully reached on those finer points.
Argued, never settled
- Storm Pegasis 90/100 RF
- (Metal Face) Libra C145/CH120 B/WB
- (Metal Face) Earth Aquario/Bull C145/ED145/CH120/GB145 B/WB/WD
- Virgo DF145/D125 WD/SD/D/B
- Libra DF145/D125 WD/SD/D/B
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Combos with these outdated blades
Working only from a small pool of older starter Beyblades, the poster proposed a Cross Spiker build on a heavy weight disk and sharp base as the best available option and reported it doing well in casual play, but several other members insisted the combination performed poorly regardless, leaving its usefulness unresolved beyond the original poster's own results.
Argued, never settled
- Cross Spiker AR / 10-Heavy WD / Right Spin Gear SG / SG Sharp Base BB
- Cross Spiker AR / 8-Heavy WD / Right Spin Gear SG / SG Sharp Base BB
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Competitive Hasbro MFB Combos
Hasbro-format testers ranked Lightning L-Drago on CH120/HF/RF as the top attacker, Earth/Burn Bull or Cancer on GB145 for defense, and Bull/Aquario on SD/WD for stamina, while disagreeing over the Killer destabilizer on T125FS: reported win rates against Earth Bull ranged from about 60% to 70% depending on the tester, and members disputed whether it functioned as a true destabilizer or just a low-stamina counter.
Argued, never settled
- MF Lightning L-Drago 100/CH120F/HF/RF
- MF Earth/Burn Bull/Cancer GB145SF/WD
- Earth Bull/Aquario 100/125/145SD/WD
- MF Killer___T125FS
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Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos
The list ranked Lightning L-Drago, Pegasis, Ray Unicorno and Vulcan Horuseus on RF/R2F as the strongest attackers, Earth Bull/Aquario on C145/GB145 as the defense pick, and Virgo, Burn Bull and Earth Bull on DF145 for stamina, with Libra removed as banned from WBO play; members disagreed over whether Takara-Tomy's weight limit fairly balanced Libra or effectively broke the whole defense type, since nothing else could stand up to RF-based attackers.
Argued, never settled
- Metal Face Lightning L-Drago 90/100/CH120 RF/R2F
- Metal Face Pegasis 145 RF/R2F
- Metal Face Earth Bull/Aquario C145/GB145 RS/WB
- Virgo DF145/145 WD/SD/D
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Competitive Zero-G Combos [List not final]
A developmental Zero-G tier outline split builds into Attack, Sway Attack, Sway Defense and Balance groups around Wyvang, Bahamdia, Revizer, Killerken and Genbull, but drafts were revised repeatedly over months as contributors argued over specifics such as whether Revizer or Wyvang belongs on the Sway Attack Dragooon build and how strong SR200TB stamina really is, with no version ever declared final.
Argued, never settled
- MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 R2F/RF/XF
- MSF/MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 R2F/RF/XF
- MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 RS/RB
- Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
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Custom Bey Combo
A double-weight-disk balance build, illegal under standard rules, was claimed to combine strong attack, stamina and defense, but a direct test against a Zombie-style combo ended with the Zombie knocking it out of the stadium and stripping its attack ring, and other members argued the approach was inherently unfair and hard on parts rather than a genuinely sound strategy.
Argued, never settled
- Guardian Driger AR (w/o second ring) / 2 Ten Heavy WD / Dranzer GT Right-Spin Turbo Gear SG / no BB
- double sub AR / Ten Wide and Ten Balance WD / Right Spin SG / Driger S or Galzy BB
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DB Parts Tier List
A community-maintained list ranked DB cores, armours, blades, discs and drivers into three viability tiers, with replies disputing several placements: whether armour 2's weight edge over 6 and 10 actually mattered, whether the Valkyrie core's rebound gimmick helped or made it worse than Belial, and how the Savior blade should rank once its poor burst resistance was weighed against its attack. The list stayed a work in progress, with several parts left pending further testing and community input.
Argued, never settled
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Dead Hades Destabilization testing Thread
Testers found Dead Hades could destabilize Xtend+-based Tempest builds by knocking them off balance rather than bursting or knocking them out, winning most rounds against both Tempest Hyperion2 and a worn White Spriggan whether or not a Level Chip was fitted. A separate test on a High Blow' driver in an unmodified stadium went the other way against Rage Longinus, though the tester flagged that result as possibly unreliable.
- Dead Hades Blitz Atomic
- Tempest Hyperion2 Wheel Xtend+ 1S (Stamina Mode)
- White Spriggan Proof Rise 1S (Worn Rise)
- Dead Hades High Blow'
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Dead Hades testing Thread
A run against one Archer Hercules copy produced several Dead Hades bursts, but a second, differently coloured Archer Hercules resisted bursting entirely across twenty-one rounds, leading the tester to suspect a manufacturing difference between individual copies rather than a driver issue. A further run against Hell Salamander's stamina-mode Xtend+ setup had Dead Hades take a minority of rounds, improving as the tester's launches got more consistent.
Argued, never settled
- Dead Hades 10Dagger Destroy'
- Archer Hercules Outer Eternal
- Hell Salamander 0Proof Xtend+ (Stamina)
- Dead Hades 10Dagger Xceed'
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Deathscyther testing
Extensive round-by-round testing found Deathscyther weak on attack against Kerbeus Heavy Defense, at roughly 35% wins across two driver variants, but strong in both defense against Valkyrie Heavy Accel (about 53%) and especially stamina against Kerbeus Heavy Survive (about 70%), leading testers to conclude Deathscyther set a new bar for both defense and stamina roles at once, which some worried could unbalance the format going forward.
- Deathscyther.Oval.Accel
- Kerbeus.Heavy.Defense
- Valkyrie.Heavy.Accel
- Deathscyther.Heavy.Survive
- Kerbeus.Heavy.Survive
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Deep Chaos Testing
Testing found Deep Chaos winning every round against a right-spin stamina build, with its layer gaps destabilizing the opponent, but doing much worse against left-spin attackers who could burst it through those same gaps with a single big hit. Results against Sieg Xcalibur and Legend Spriggan shifted with launch angle and driver choice, and the tester concluded Deep Chaos was a risky pick against attack types despite its strength versus defence and stamina builds.
- Deep Chaos 7Glaive Orbit
- MGCaC 7Glaive Revolve
- Deep Chaos vs. Sieg Xcalibur 00Bump Quick'
- Deep Chaos vs. Legend Spriggan
- Deep Chaos vs. Sieg Xcalibur 1Meteor Revolve
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Defence, Attack, Endurance, Combination blades
A newcomer asking for feedback on several attack/defence/endurance builds got a rundown of weight-disk naming (Heavy, Balance, Wide, in 6-, 8- and 10-sided versions) and a couple of alternative part picks, such as War Lion on 10-Heavy with an Auto Change Base and an upper-attack Dranzer F setup, but no single build was confirmed as the answer to the original request.
Argued, never settled
- Driger F / Strata Dragoon V / Strata Dragoon V (BB)
- War Lion / 10-Heavy / Auto Change Base (sharp-tip)
- Dranzer F / 10 Heavy / MG Core or Right SG / SG Flat
- Master Dragoon / 10 Heavy (maybe) / Right SG / Dragoon S
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Dimension-S Testing Thread
Across several matchups, the Dimension-S driver either matched or clearly beat Bearing and Xtend+ in stamina trades, most strikingly sweeping a Perfect Phoenix Xtreme+ build completely and edging a mirror match against the same layer on Bearing, which testers took as evidence it holds its own even against Hasbro Bearing despite moving around more in the stadium. It still lost decisively to a banked Zwei Diabolos attacker and was noted to scrape the stadium floor more readily than Bearing, so its edge was framed as situational rather than universal.
- Balkesh B3 00Wall Bearing
- Astroid Zeutron 00Wall Dimension-S
- Spryzen Requiem S3 00Wall Dimension-S
- Perfect Phoenix 00Cross Xtreme+
- Lord Spriggan 0Wall Bearing
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Doomscizor D2 Combos
Bladers agreed from experience that Doomscizor/Deathscyther D2 works best on a stamina/defence build such as Gravity Revolve rather than as an attacker, rated the Gravity and Heavy disks above Force and Jaggy, and traded suggested attack builds around Valtryek and Xcalibur with Xtreme drivers, though none of it was backed by recorded test results.
Argued, never settled
- Doomscizor D2 Gravity Revolve
- Victory Valtryek/Valtryek Knuckle Gravity Variable
- Doomscizor D2 Gravity Knuckle Revolve
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Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing
Testing found Drain Fafnir on 2-Vortex Hold beating a Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit benchmark mostly by bursting, losing clearly to Neptune Heavy Revolve, and struggling against Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Atomic; Tornado Wyvern on Heavy Atomic beat a Lost Longinus Quarter Hold benchmark convincingly at first, but the margin narrowed once Orbit and other disks were tried, and bladers ultimately agreed the layer's real weakness is poor balance rather than its teeth.
Argued, never settled
- Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold
- Tornado Wyvern Heavy Atomic
- Tornado Wyvern Heavy Orbit
- Tornado Wyvern Polish Atomic
- Tornado Wyvern Polish Yielding
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Drift Driver Testing and Discussion
Systematic opposite-spin testing found the Drift driver overwhelming stamina and defence setups such as Xtend+, Mobius and Bearing in almost every round, though it fared notably worse in same-spin matchups where its scraping caused erratic movement. Pairing Drift with the Wheel disc was found to cut down that scraping and improve its same-spin stamina considerably, which testers flagged as an important exception to Drift's reputation as weak in same spin.
- World Spriggan 0Cross Drift 1S
- World Spriggan 0Cross Xtend+ 1S
- World Spriggan 0Wall Drift 1S
- Tempest Hyperion2 Wheel Drift 1S
- World Helios2 Drift 2B (Defense)
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DS Testing
Stamina testing comparing DS and WD bottoms on Burn Aquario shifted from a near-even split to a lopsided win rate for WD once the tester switched to a different Burn wheel mold, pointing to manufacturing variance between molds rather than a clear advantage for either driver, and DS never overtook WD as the stronger stamina option across these rounds.
Argued, never settled
- Burn Aquario 90DS
- Burn Aquario 90WD
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Dynamite Belial Testing and Discussion
Stamina testing found Dynamite Belial edging out World Helios2 in same-spin Xtend+ matchups even after swapping parts halfway through to control for wear, and it beat Tempest Hyperion2 by a wide margin on Outer Eternal. Its attack-mode performance on Evolution' against World Helios2's Drift setup was described as lacklustre and lost decisively, leading the tester to call it a better fit for stamina than attack.
- Dynamite Belial 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina)-2
- World Helios2 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina) 1S
- Dynamite Belial Nexus Evolution' (Worn)-2
- World Helios2 Drift 2B (Defense)
- Dynamite Belial Nexus Destroy'-2
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Favourite burst combos
Bladers shared favourite Burst combinations split between looks and results, naming builds such as Hades H3 00Turn Bearing, Wyvron W3 4Glaive Atomic and Turbo Spryzen S4 0Wall Zeta-S as especially strong in their own play, one credited with a school-tournament win, while the exchange stayed a preference list rather than a head-to-head comparison.
- World Spriggan Ultimate Reboot dash 1S Sting
- Hades H3 00Turn Bearing
- Wyvron W3 4Glaive Atomic
- Turbo Spryzen S4 0Wall Zeta-S
- Turbo Spryzen 7Wall Xtend
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Fun Combos thread!
Bladers shared non-competitive combinations valued for entertaining behaviour over winning: Basalt Byxis for an unpredictable wobble that beats attackers but loses to stamina types, and Pegasis and Leone builds prized mainly for spectacular, high-recoil knockouts and comic self-destruction rather than tournament results.
- MF Rock Escolpio 85MF
- Burn Ketos ED145HF/S
- MF-H Basalt Byxis 230SD
- MF Pegasis 230RF
- MF Leone WD145RF
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Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion
Every matchup tested came back a clean sweep for Garuda G3, which shut out Jormuntor J2, Exceed Evil-eye and Valtryek without losing a single round, and posters treated the layer as already too strong for some competitive formats.
- Garuda G3 4Glaive Orbit
- Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic
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Geist Fafnir Testing Thread
Testing found Geist Fafnir beating Bloody Longinus on Eternal but losing completely to Archer Hercules on Atomic and to Bloody Longinus again once Absorb struggled to reclaim the centre from an already-settled Atomic driver, results the tester called surprising going in. A later round pairing it with a Hold driver against Archer Hercules came out close to even, and posters disagreed over whether Destroy would work as well as Hold without settling the question.
Argued, never settled
- Geist Fafnir 7 Eternal
- Bloody Longinus 0Bump Jolt
- Geist Fafnir 0Bump Atomic
- Archer Hercules 7 Eternal
- Geist Fafnir 8' Absorb
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General Burst Combo Discussion
Testers found Odin's stamina setup handily beat Deathscyther's matching build, and Wyvern edged out Valkyrie in most Heavy-disc attack pairings, winning the largest share when both ran Accel. Opinions split on how to build Valkyrie defensively: some favoured the wobble and uppercut hits that Survive gave over the flatter stability of Defense, while others argued Valkyrie's defensive layer offered nothing that Odin or Wyvern couldn't already do better, so no single best build was ever agreed on.
Argued, never settled
- Odin Spread Survive
- Deathscyther Spread Survive
- Kerbeus Spread Claw
- Kerbeus Spread Survive
- Wyvern Heavy Claw
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Grip Attacker combo
A proposed attack build pairing Neo Right with a Storm Grip base sparked confusion over whether Dragoon S and Dragoon Grip Attacker share the same Storm Grip part, and over which spin-gear version weighs more; the naming mix-up was never fully sorted out and no settled verdict on the build's strength was reached.
Argued, never settled
- SG Neo Right With MG + BB Storm Grip (Grip A)
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Hasbro Metagame and Testing Thread III
Running lists for pocketless and pocketed Hasbro stadiums put Phantom-headed customs on W145 and SA165 tracks, and Leviathan/Kraken/Genbu-family Dragoon builds on BD145 or SA165, near the top of both formats, while newer entries such as Dragoon TR145W2D against Hell Bull BD145WD were flagged as needing more battles before ranking. Posters kept disputing whether metal faces should be legal and whether Hasbro's own in-pocket rule should carry over, so parts of the ranking stayed unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Phantom Cygnus/Cancer/Hades W145EWD/WD
- Phantom Cygnus/Cancer/Hades SA165EWD/WD
- Leviathan/Kraken/Genbu/Zirago Dragoon BD145/SA165WD/EWD
- MF-H Flash Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzebub/Ionis GB145/H145/S130/CH120
- Dragoon TR145W2D
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Hasbro Metagame Stadium & Combo Testing 2! Updates!!
This earlier run of the same Hasbro-only Metal Fight testing effort carried the same reported results, Earth Virgo125WD beating Lightning L-Drago100WD 15 to 5 by knockout and Poison Serpent unexpectedly beating Storm Pegasus 10 of 12 rounds, while a promised top-tier list had not yet been posted and posters disputed the fairness of the allowed launchers and stadium variants.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Virgo125WD
- Lightning L-Drago100WD
- Poison Serpent SW154SD
- Storm Pegasus 105RF
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Hasbro only competitive parts/combos
Posters agreed that several parts banned from the Limited Format, including Spryzen Requiem, Garuda G3, Balkesh B3, Kerbeus K4, Turbo Achilles and Turbo Spryzen, remain the strongest options for Hasbro-only play, with Myth named the best right-spin attack layer and Luinor L3 (corrected from an earlier L2 typo) noted as almost impossible to burst. A Vise Leopard opposite-spin build was suggested against Fafnir- and Luinor-based combinations.
- Vise Leopard 0 Glaive Absorb-S
- Hades H3 00Turn Bearing
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Hasbro Stadium Combo Testing! All combos for Hasbro Stadiums go here!
Members logged win percentages for several customs in the Lightning Force and other Hasbro stadiums: Earth Aquario on C145WB and GB145WB won most rounds under normal launch but collapsed under Rev-Up power, Rock Leone on CH120F won the large majority of its rounds, and Burn Bull AD145SD was reported to dominate local neighbourhood play once a house wall rule was turned off. The list stayed an open, growing collection rather than a settled ranking.
- Earth Aquario C145WB
- Earth Aquario GB145WB
- Vulcan Horuseus CH120HF
- Rock Leone CH120F
- Burn Bull AD145SD
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Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion
A large cross-brand test found same-manufacturer matchups landing close to even, but mixed-brand rounds swung heavily toward the TAKARA-TOMY side, with the TAKARA-TOMY Layer winning only one in five rounds against its Hasbro counterpart; testers concluded the softer Hasbro plastic changes how every part performs and called for dedicated Hasbro-only competitive testing, though one reader argued ten rounds per matchup was too small a sample to trust.
Argued, never settled
- Valtryek Limited Accel
- Nepstrius Heavy Revolve
- Valkyrie Limited Accel
- Neptune Heavy Revolve
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Hasbro's Beyblade Burst Competitive Combos List & Public Discussion [W.I.P]
A running list grouped Hasbro-format winning builds by role (mobile attack, stationary attack, defense, stamina, balance), naming Caynox C3 on Bearing as the top stamina layer, but contributors disagreed over several entries: whether Survive belongs under defense given its tendency to burst, whether Doomscizor's Ring disk holds up as defense, and whether Xtreme or Kerbeus K2 deserve inclusion at all, leaving the list explicitly unfinished.
Argued, never settled
- Legend Spryzen S3 Xtreme/Variable/Iron/Zephyr/Hunter
- Xcalius X3 Xtreme/Variable/Zephyr/Hunter
- Luinor L3 Xtreme/Variable/Hunter
- Noctemis N3 Accel/Zephyr/Hunter/Xtreme/Variable
- Fafnir F3 Atomic
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Heaven Testing Thread and Discussion
Testing found Heaven Valkyrie and Heaven Ashura on Eternal and Atomic splitting evenly with Perfect Phoenix but beating Orb Egis and Judgement Valkyrie comfortably, with the tester noting the results surprised even themselves and inviting others to re-run the closer matchups. No repeat results are reported in what's shown here.
- Heaven Valkyrie Outer Eternal Ten
- Perfect Phoenix 10Proof Xtend+
- Orb Egis 0Cross Orbit Metal
- Judgement Valkyrie Blitz Octa Zan
- Heaven Ashura 00Cross Atomic Ten
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Heavy Defensive and A big hitter combo
A poster shared a heavy defensive build and a lower-profile attack build without running any tests, and a reply suggested pairing the defensive combo with four metal balls, a heavier core and a different attack ring, and giving the attack build a heavier weight disk and metal core; most of the exchange drifted into a semantic argument over the words endurance and stamina rather than evaluating either build.
Argued, never settled
- Driger S 10-heavy Magnacore Right Draciel S
- Kid Dragoon 8 wide balanced Right spin Dragoon
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Helios Volcano Testing and Discussion
One tester reported Helios Volcano beating most opponents tried and tying only against Rage Spriggan, while a separate stamina test had Tempest Lucifer's Mobius build beating Helios Volcano's Xtend+ build in most rounds, with a commenter pointing out the Limit Break gimmick was never activated during that run. Whether the newer Zone'+Z driver should be used like Bearing' or like Xtend+ was raised but left unanswered.
Argued, never settled
- World Helios2 MCC 2S Xtend attack mode
- Mirage Spriggan 2B Evolution'
- Curse Hyperion2 MCC 2S Xtend attack mode
- Brave Lucifer 2A Evolution'
- Helios Volcano Ou Xtend+ (Stamina)
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Hell Salamander Testing Thread
Round after round, Hell Salamander on 7Cross Atomic beat most rivals tested, including Nightmare Longinus, Bloody Longinus and Sieg Xcalibur, and even outlasted Deep Chaos in a stamina race. It lost heavily to Twin Nemesis when that opponent ran Destroy for stronger life-after-death, and it was swept entirely by a Hasbro Maximum Garuda build with matching parts, showing its stamina edge only holds up against certain rivals.
- Hell Salamander (Defense Mode) 7Cross Atomic
- Nightmare Longinus Bump Jolt
- Bloody Longinus 0Bump Jolt
- Bloody Longinus 0Bump Orbit
- Hell Salamander (Attack Mode) 7Cross Atomic
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Hell Testing
Testing Hell Kerbecs across six different tracks against MF-H Earth Bull on three tracks produced results ranging from lopsided wins to lopsided losses with no clear pattern, and the tester noted Hell's own weight and diameter made it prone to knocking itself out before contact; a reader called the swing between results implausible and asked for a Metal Face to be added to steady the numbers.
Argued, never settled
- Hell Kerbecs 85RF
- Hell Kerbecs 100RF
- Hell Kerbecs 105RF
- Hell Kerbecs CH120RF
- Hell Kerbecs D125RF
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Hercules H4 Testing and Discussion
Across four test matchups Hercules H4 beat Fafnir F3 and stalled well against a destabilizing Nightmare Luinor N3, but lost heavily in stamina to Caynox C3 and gave up several bursts to Xcalius X3 in attack testing. The tester concluded H4 was a solid defense/stamina hybrid but not overpowered, beatable by both attack and stamina depending on the matchup.
- H4.7.Et-S(BR)
- H4.7C.Br
- H4.7C.At
- H4.10.Et-S
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Hercules H4 Testing and Discussion [Limited Format]
Community-run Limited-format testing had Hercules H4 beating Drain Fafnir and a Geist Fafnir comparison combo by wide margins and taking most rounds against Turbo Valtryek on a cross-frame setup, though a mirrored same-spin atomic matchup against Turbo Valtryek V3 came out roughly even.
- Hercules H4 7C Atomic
- Hercules H4 00C Atomic
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Hold’ vs Volcanic’
Comparing the two rubber drivers for the Perfect Phoenix outer, posters generally agreed Hold' resists being knocked off balance better and stays more centred, while Volcanic' is the stronger pick for extreme tornado stalling once worn in; they never reached agreement on which driver actually wins the Opposite Spin and Mobile Attack matchups that mattered most to the original question.
Argued, never settled
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Hold'
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Volcanic'
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Hollow Ring Testing and Discussion Thread
One owner reported the ring gave only modest attack power against Quake but was surprisingly good at knocking rivals off-balance, and a video someone found showed a 4A Balance Mode stamina build doing reasonably against strong same-spin rivals like Tempest on Xt+. Several requested stamina match-ups were never run because the needed second Xt+ chip and matching parts were not available, so the ring's stamina case stayed unproven.
- Hollow Diabolos/Hyperion II/Lucifer II. Wh. Xt+ (Stamina) 4A (Balance Mode)
- Tempest Diabolos. Xt+ (Stamina) 2A
- hollow deathscyther Sting quick' 4A(balanced alignment)
- Tempest LuciferII Wheel xt+(stamina) 1S
- Hollow Hyperion 1'Hit Operate(attack mode) 4A(unbalanced)
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Hybrid Driver: Testing Results and Etc.
An early completed test had Royal Dragon on Hybrid-H beating Brutal Luinor on Charge-H eight rounds to two, mostly by bursting the opponent, which the tester took as a sign Hybrid-H could have a place in the Hasbro meta. Follow-up requests to test it against Air Knight K5 for stamina and against a Turbo Valtryek attack build were made but left without reported results.
- Royal Dragon 00 Hybrid-H
- Bushin Dragon 0 Hybrid-H
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HyperSphere Driver Testing and Discussion
Head-to-head opposite-spin comparisons on an identical Spryzen Requiem S3 base found Linear-H and Rise-H the strongest of the HyperSphere drivers tested, each shutting out Charge I-H and Coil-H outright, while a later independent test found Bullet I-H's greater lateral distance gave it an edge over Rise-H in same-spin despite a higher knockout risk. Posters agreed HyperSphere drivers tend to self-knockout when launched hard, complicating same-spin testing.
- Spryzen Requiem S3 Outer Charge I-H
- Spryzen Requiem S3 Outer Coil-H
- Spryzen Requiem S3 Outer Keep-H
- Spryzen Requiem S3 Outer Linear-H
- Spryzen Requiem S3 Outer Rise-H
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Illegal Customization: UFO
A detailed how-to described filing an attack ring into a perfect circle and fitting it with a Wide Defense or Wide Survival disk and a flattened Wolborg 2 shaft to build a so-called UFO Beyblade prized for very high defense and endurance, and separately named a filed Upper Dragoon build as the best known counter; posters disagreed on how dominant the UFO really is and whether the later HMS parts made it obsolete, with one poster joking its win chance only rose from near zero to about five percent.
Argued, never settled
- UFO build: filed circular attack ring, Wide Defense/Wide Survival, Wolborg 2 shaft, right/left spin gear casing
- Upper Dragoon 10 Heavy Grip Base
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Indian Release Competitive Combos [W.I.P]
The opening list sorted parts available to the Indian release into attack picks built around Nightmare Longinus and Sieg Xcalibur, a balance pick using Sieg Xcalibur on Revolve, and defense-leaning picks on Drain Fafnir, Spriggan Requiem and Zillion Zeus. Follow-up comments judged some of the wider community combos weak, calling one driver essentially useless and flagging a couple of defensive builds as having too little life-after-death, while suggesting an X driver swap over a rubber-frame part for a more aggressive result.
- Nightmare Longinus Glaive Destroy/Variable/xtreme
- Seig Xcalibur 7/0 [vortex] Destroy/xtreme/variable
- Lost Longinus 2/0Glaive Destroy
- Seig Xcalibur 7/0 revolve
- Drain Fafnir 7/0 Glaive Orbit/Revolve
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Infinite Achilles Testing and Discussion
A stock comparison found Mirage Fafnir dominating an unmodified Infinite Achilles, but adding the Shield attachment closed the gap to roughly even and the Sword attachment flipped the result, giving Achilles a clear edge and leading posters to conclude Sword Mode is where the layer performs best. A separate stamina-mode test lost 90% to Brave Lucifer, and several further defense, attack and burst-resistance match-ups were proposed but not completed within the posts shown.
- Infinite Lucifer (Shield) Blow' 1A vs Brave Lucifer Evolution' 2A
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (nothing)
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (shield)
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (sword)
- Infinite Achilles (Shield Mode) Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) 2A vs Rage Diabolos Ultimate Reboot' 3A (Sliding Shoot)
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Infinite vs Brave
Opinions split sharply on which ring suits attack better: some posters were confident Brave Valkyrie wins the comparison outright because Infinite's slick contact points barely generate recoil, while others argued a Brave Lucifer build with strong destabilization could rival or beat a Tempest-based rival and that Infinite might still find a niche in a mobile stamina build once its contact points are considered. No one produced actual round-by-round numbers, and posters agreed real Infinite attack testing was still needed to settle it.
Argued, never settled
- Brave Lucifer 2A Xtend+
- Infinite without the sword
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Jet Ring Testing and Discussion
In a same-spin stamina test the Jet ring lost to World Helios2, but it won convincingly in two opposite-spin match-ups against Rage Helios2 and Mirage Fafnir, and came out exactly even against Tempest Hyperion2. That pattern lines up with a poster's summary that the ring has weak same-spin stamina but performs well against opposite-spin opponents.
- Jet Lucifer2 00 Eternal 1S vs MCC World Helios2 00Eternal 1S
- Jet Spriggan Mobius 2D vs MCC Rage Helios2 Quick' 3A
- Jet Lucifer2 Bearing 2B vs Mirage Fafnir Mobius 2D
- Jet Lucifer2 Atomic 2B vs MCC Tempest Hyperion2 Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) 2A
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Judgement Joker Testing & Discussion
Judgement Joker won heavily against Wizard Fafnir (90%) and Balkesh B3 (80%), mostly through knock-outs, but its results against Perfect Phoenix varied by driver, splitting evenly on Destroy Zan and Xtend+ but dropping to a losing 40% on a different Destroy build. One poster reasoned that beating both Wizard Fafnir and a Ratchet Bearing rival on the same driver made a win over any similar layer likely.
- Perfect Phoenix 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina for even rounds, Attack for odd rounds) vs Judgement Joker Blitz Destroy Retsu
- Judgement Joker 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina) Zan vs Wizard Fafnir Ratchet Bearing Zan
- Judgement Joker 0Glaive Xtreme' 天 vs Balkesh B3 00Wall Bearing
- Judgement Joker 00Bump Destroy Zan vs Perfect Phoenix 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina)
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LAD vs. Precession, and the combination of the two
A detailed explainer distinguished LAD (continuing to rotate after toppling) from Precession (resisting toppling at low spin), using Duo Cygnus B : D and Death Cygnus B : D both sweeping Reviser Dragooon B : D to argue that a low center of gravity lets a build keep precessing at lower speeds and win outright rather than merely surviving fallen over longer; commenters ultimately converged on plain-language definitions for both terms.
- Duo Cygnus B : D
- Death Cygnus B : D
- Reviser Dragooon B : D
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Legend Spriggan Testing and Discussion
Right-spin testing found Legend Spriggan on 7Vortex Xtreme roughly even with Drain Fafnir and surprisingly strong against Maximum Garuda, while left-spin runs of the same combo performed worse across every match-up tried. A second tester who ran the same Maximum Garuda match-up independently got close to the opposite result, with Garuda dominating instead, and the difference was chalked up to different launchers and launch technique rather than settled either way.
Argued, never settled
- Legend Spriggan 7Vortex Xtreme vs Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic
- Legend Spriggan 7Vortex Xtreme vs Alter Chronos 2Cross Atomic
- Legend Spriggan 7Vortex Xtreme vs Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic
- Legend Spriggan 7Vortex Xtreme vs Dark Deathscyther Spread Atomic
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Lucifer The End testing thread
Lucifer The End tied a left-spin World Spriggan build and comfortably beat Rage Spriggan, but lost heavily to both Lord Diabolos II and Mirage Longinus when it was the one running Morbius instead of Drift. Posters described the chip as very defensive but stamina-poor overall, with its heavier weight and Limit Break gimmick helping in defense and attack roles without being required to beat most left-spin stock attackers.
- LuciferII The End Kou Drift VS World Spriggan Morbius(Awaken) 2D(Awaken)(Left-Spin)
- LuciferII The End Kou Drift VS Rage Spriggan Evolution(Awaken²) 3A
- Lord DiabolosII Wheel Drift VS LuciferII The End Kou Morbius(Awaken)
- Mirage Longinus Drift 2B VS LuciferII The End Kou Morbius(Awaken)
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Luinor L2 Testing and Discussion
Testing found Luinor L2 on the Variable driver losing most of its knockout-attack matchups against Fafnir F3, Jormuntor J2 and Kerbeus, while the same layer on the Iron and Hold drivers dominated opposite-spin knockout testing against Fafnir F3, Legend Spryzen S3 and Roktavor. One poster noted the Orbit driver also handled Fafnir F3 well, though the Variable driver's result was thought partly due to it not being sufficiently worn in.
- Luinor L2 Polish Variable
- Luinor L2 7Glaive Iron
- Luinor L2 4Glaive Hold
- Luinor L2 4Glaive Orbit
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Make your trash combos and have me battle them (TT)
In a run of joke 'trash combo' battles, Tornado Wyvern Quarter Spiral beat M2 6-4 by spin finish, and Spriggan 6 Quake edged out Guardian Kerbeus Quarter Planet by bursts despite one questionable call, while a requested Acid Anubis Spread Trans versus Xcalius Heavy Quake match-up was abandoned mid-test after a disk was lost.
- Tornado Wyvern Quarter Spiral
- Spriggan 6 Quake
- Guardian Kerbeus Quarter Planet
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Make your underrated parts overrated! Underrated Parts Testing and Discussion Thread
Contributors argued Wall isn't actually underrated since it's already common in top Limited-format setups when paired with Bearing, while a separate claim held that a fully awakened Charge' driver edges out Drift on a specific Hollow Lucifer2 build, weak mainly in same-spin match-ups; one member's own test of a Charge-tipped Bushin Valkyrie combination against a stock rival lost consistently until its armor came off, leading them to abandon that build.
Argued, never settled
- Hollow Lucifer2 Wheel Charge' 4A
- Bushin Valkyrie Gen 11 Charge
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Maximum Garuda Testing/Discussion
Maximum Garuda on 4Glaive Atomic swept or nearly swept every stamina and attack rival it was tested against, from a 90% win over Drain Fafnir to a complete 100% shutout of both Blaze Ragnaruk and Dark Deathscyther, with only Lost Longinus managing a closer 40% showing. The tester concluded the layer performs far above the field it was tested against, strong enough that the community began expecting it to be banned.
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic vs Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic vs Drain Fafnir 4Glaive Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic vs Alter Chronos 2Cross Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic vs Blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic vs Lost Longinus 7Glaive Hold
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MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF - A Combo Revisted
An evolution of an earlier Phantom Hades 90MF stamina-attack hybrid, this Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF build was refined with a heavier metal face and a lower 85 track to cut recoil while keeping its tornado-stall-then-attack plan, and later independent testing confirmed strong results, including a 15-to-5 win rate against a top-tier Duo stamina build, though testers agreed a Dragoon-based endurance rival reliably beat it and disagreed on whether a Duo-based version of the same idea would work as well as the Phantom original.
Argued, never settled
- MF-L Phantom (Attack Mode) Cygnus 85MF
- Phantom Hades 90MF
- Phantom Gasher 85 MF
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MFB: "Passable" Defense and Stamina Customs (In My Opinion)
120 rounds of testing found Rock Leone strong for defense on both the ED145 and CH120 tracks, beating Storm Bull consistently and splitting close matches against Rock Bull depending on height, while Rock Bull clearly outdid Storm Bull for stamina and defense at roughly 70-75% win rates; the tester concluded Rock Leone ED145WB and Rock Bull DF145SD were the best options available to them, though another blader's separate testing still favoured Storm over Dark for stamina, leaving Storm's overall standing unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Rock Leone ED145WB
- Rock Leone CH120WB
- Storm Bull DF145SD
- Rock Bull DF145SD
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Mirage Fafnir Testing and Discussion
A driver comparison against a same-spin Master Bahamut benchmark favoured Absorb (60%) over a plain build (50%) and Rise (only 30%), with a later Ultimate Reboot' test reaching 70%. Separately, a claim that Mirage Fafnir's rubber makes it safe from Zwei-style opposite-spin attackers was directly disproven when a tester found Zwei still bursting it even on an Xtend+ build, settling that particular disagreement against the rubber-protection theory.
Argued, never settled
- Mirage Fafnir Br.2S (62.71g) vs J.D.Bl.Qc'
- Mirage Fafnir vs Master Bahamut Sting Xt+ Defense mode (Nothing/Absorb/Rise)
- Mirage Fafnir Mobius 2S (Absorb mode) VS Glide Hyperion Xt+ 1B (Stamina mode)
- Mirage Fafnir Mobius 3A VS Rage Longinus Ul' 2S
- Mirage Fafnir Mobius 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xt+ 2A (6 Bladed)
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Mobius Testing and Discussion
Both matches shown swept entirely against the Mobius-equipped side, with Perfect Phoenix and Super Hyperion each winning every round against their Mobius rivals. Posters generally agreed the driver carries real burst risk in same-spin matches and reads as safer for deck or final-stage formats, where losing one round with it does not end the match, than for a first-stage format using a single build throughout.
- pP Wh Mb VS MF 00G Xt+ (Stamina)
- Super Hyperion Xceed 1A VS Judgement Joker 8P Mobius
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Mold Variations Testing
Repeated mold-1-versus-mold-2 trials on the Earth and Burn metal wheels produced conflicting verdicts between testers, with one run favouring Earth's second mold and Burn's first mold while a separate spin-time test found Burn's second mold lasting noticeably longer, and the argument over which mold genuinely performs better, and whether the B tip's own wear skews results, was never resolved.
Argued, never settled
- Earth (mold 1) Aquila 145B
- Earth (mold 2) Aquila 145B
- Burn (mold 1) Aquila 145B
- Burn (mold 2) Aquila 145B
- Earth (mold 1) Bull DF145B
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My Blade Combos
For a Dragoon-based smash attacker, replies advised swapping the heavy 10 Heavy weight disk for a lighter 10 Wide since the added weight would slow the build down, while the Seaborg 2 combination's recoil problem was judged reasonably offset by its own added weight.
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My Combos >:O
Early Gigantic Claw combinations were judged weak because the base sat too low to use the ring's force smash, but a later refinement swapping in a Neo Left spin gear, the heaviest available core and a Grip Sharp base was called a genuinely strong force-smash and defensive build, with a Heavy Metal Core suggested as a further improvement.
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My DRAGOON Combo
An attack-endurance build combining an MG Core spin gear with what the owner called a Bearing Base sparked a long argument, since members insisted no legal base accepts both an MG Core and a bearing tip together, with the mystery eventually chalked up to the base actually being an SG Metal Flat 2.
Argued, never settled
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My Main Combos
Feedback on the poster's smash, defence, endurance and self-styled zombie builds centred on weight-disk choice, with replies explaining that a true Wide Defense or Wide Survivor disk, not 10 Balance, is needed for a genuine zombie build, and the smash attacker was refined toward Trygle's ring on a Gaia Dragoon base for better balance.
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New Top Tier Combo? Cosmo Achilles Wheel Bullet Retsu
A returning player reported a Cosmo Achilles Wheel Bullet Retsu build beating every previously recognized top-tier combination, including the reigning stamina standard Perfect Phoenix, by using the Bullet driver's height and weight for force smash, but other testers questioned whether the comparison list itself was already outdated given newer parts, while a separate outside test later confirmed a win for the build against Tempest Lucifer Xtend+ 2A.
Argued, never settled
- Cosmo Achilles Wheel Bullet Retsu
- Perfect Phoenix (Level Chip) 00 Cross Xtend+
- Imperial Valkyrie Around Destroy'
- Master Diabolos II Wheel Wave Goku
- Tempest Lucifer Xtend+ 2A
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Orb Egis Testing/ Discussion
Alternating odd/even launch tests showed each side sweeping the other completely whenever it was the one launched at full strength and the opponent launched weak, which made the raw win rate swing wildly depending on launch strength rather than settling a clear favourite. Separately, posters found that moving Orb Egis off its stock heavy 1' disc and Sword driver onto a Proof frame with Destroy or Atomic cut down its tendency to burst and let it win by out-spinning instead.
Argued, never settled
- Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (Odd Weak) vs Orb Egis 10Cross Eternal (Even)
- Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (Odd) vs Orb Egis 10Cross Eternal (Even Weak)
- Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs Orb Egis 0Proof Destroy
- Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs Orb Egis 0Proof Yard
- Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs Orb Egis 0Proof Atomic
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Overlooked Parts Discussion and Testing
Contributors used this to rule out Poison's attack potential and argued DF145 gives noticeably more speed and RPM than CH120 at 145 height, but the founding question of which neglected parts (Galaxy, R145, the Pre-HWS Metal System wheels) actually have hidden potential was left open pending more testing.
Argued, never settled
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Plastic Beyblade parts testing requests
The requests collected specific Plastics combinations for community testing, and one experienced poster stated that Wide Defense outperforms Survivor for defense because Survivor is too light, offering his own Triangle Wing/Wide Defense build (left casings, a free shaft and Driger F's clutch shaft on a Wolborg 2 base) as a versatile setup that outspins Grip Zombie-type builds and knocks out most opponents.
- Triangle Wing / Wide Defense / Neo Right (HMC) / SG Metal Flat 2
- Triangle Wing / Wide Defense / Storm Grip or Grip Base
- Tiger Defenser / Wide Defense / Neo Right (HMC) / SG Metal Ball
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Potential Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos
Contributors drafted and tested candidate top-tier attack, defense and stamina combos, finding for example that Basalt Kerbecs dominates most stamina and defense customs by outspin but loses outright by knockout to right-spin Lightning L Drago and Rock Leone attack builds, and that Bakushin narrowly beat Burn in stamina testing while losing to Earth, though the list stayed an unfinished, argued-over draft rather than a settled ranking, with disagreement over including MF-H customs and a proposed spin-stealer/destabilizer category.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Beat Lynx S130/R145MF/RF
- MF Blitz Unicorno (Assault Attack mode) 85/CH120/GB145/R145 RF/R2F
- MF Blitz Unicorno (Barrage Attack mode) GB145/AD145/R145 MF
- MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 145WD/230CS/BD145CS
- MF-H Earth Bull AD145WD/BD145WB/100WD/BD145CS
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Pre-HWS Leone Testing
Extensive testing found the Pre-HWS Leone wheel giving strong smash attack on Metal Fight bases, generally beating MF Earth Bull and splitting closely with Storm Pegasis and MF Libra, while a side argument over whether the RF tip's attack power is too strong and should be restricted competitively stayed unresolved between the Italian contingent and the rest of the community.
Argued, never settled
- Leone CH120RF
- MF Leone CH120RF
- MF Leone 90RF/100RF vs MF Earth Bull GB145WB/C145WB
- vs Storm Pegasis 100RF
- vs MF Libra GB145WB/R145WB/C145WB
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Rage Longinus Testing and Discussion
Testers found Rage Longinus performed much better on Hunter' and especially Ultimate Reboot' drivers than on Destroy', sweeping Master Fafnir on Xtend+ and also beating Lord Fafnir's 0Cross Xtend+ build in matching independent tests; a follow-up test suggested Master Fafnir's Vanguard Zone driver might resist knockouts better than Xtend+ did.
- Rage Longinus Destroy' 3A
- Rage Longinus Hunter' 3A
- Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A
- Master Fafnir Wheel Xtend+
- Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Lord Fafnir 0Cross Xtend+
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Regalia genesis generate testing [on nonlegal stadiums] and discussion
Early rounds suggested a long-string launcher could burst Genesis against a bump-bearing Spriggan build, and a separate run against a Lord Dragon2 combo had Genesis losing every match by burst, but other members rejected the results outright because the stadium used was not tournament-legal, the round count fell short of the minimum, and variables like launcher type and wear were never controlled for.
Argued, never settled
- Regalia Genesis Generate
- Choz Spriggan 0 bump bearing
- Regalia Genesis Generate vs Lord Dragon2 Wheel Charge
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Regalia genesis/perfect genesis testing and discussion
A twenty-round test found Perfect Genesis on Sting Xtend+ beating First Diabolos on Destroy' about 80% of the time, mostly by spin-out, with occasional stalling behaviour the tester flagged as worth its own follow-up testing; a claim that the same build had also beaten a combination that itself downed a top meta build was never backed with numbers.
- Perfect Genesis Sting Xtend+ (Attack Mode)
- First Diabolos Destroy' 1A
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Revive Phoenix Testing & Discussion
Testers found Revive Phoenix's falling Revive Armor made results inconsistent, keeping matches close to even against Hell Salamander on Atomic and Archer Hercules on Eternal since the loose armor could interfere with either side; several testers reported that swapping the stock 11 disc for a 10 disc, or pairing the layer with a 7 disc, noticeably improved its balance, but the group never agreed on a single best setup.
Argued, never settled
- Revive Phoenix 10Cross Atomic
- Hell Salamander 0Bump Atomic
- Archer Hercules 7 Eternal
- Revive Phoenix 11 Bump Orbit
- Revive Phoenix 7 Et
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Revizer Dragoon Sr200 MB (PLEASE MOVE TO ZERO-G CUSTOMIZATIONS)
An endurance test run outside a proper Zero-G stadium had the SR200MB build destabilizing and beating B:D 17 wins to 3, but a closer ten-round rematch afterward came out nearly even, and other posters asked for the tests to be redone on the intended stadium surface before treating the counter-pick as proven.
Argued, never settled
- Reviser Dragooon SR200MB
- Reviser Dragooon B:D
- Killerken Dragooon SA165MB
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Rock Susanow: New Top Tier Combo?
A Lightning Force Stadium series had Rock Susanow beating Earth Bull eight wins to one, but another member objected that pitting a stamina-leaning build against a defense type was not a fair way to judge it and argued it needed to be tested against other stamina builds instead, so the tier-worthy claim was left unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Rock Susanow 100WD
- MF Earth Bull C145B
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RS vs. RDF vs. RB vs. CS vs. RSF : Rubber Tip Stamina Comparison
Round-robin testing of five rubber defensive tips on a shared Duo Hades AD145 base ranked stamina roughly CS and RSF highest (about 81% and 78% average win rate), then RB (about 66%), then RS, with RDF finishing last, though testers noted the same-spin test design didn't capture RDF's known advantage in opposite-spin matchups and proposed a follow-up left-vs-right comparison.
- Duo Hades AD145 with RS/RDF/RB/CS/RSF tips swapped
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Rubber recoil testing
Comparing a counterfeit and a genuine copy of the same layer, the original poster concluded soft rubber mainly cuts recoil rather than attack power, while other members argued rubber actually increases friction and recoil depending on a layer's shape, and the group could not resolve it because testing against a counterfeit part was rejected as an invalid comparison and the exchange ended in a standoff.
Argued, never settled
- Brave Valkyrie
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Sol Wheel Testing!!!! OMG
Testing across attack, defence and stamina roles had the Sol wheel losing to Earth Bull in attack, getting beaten badly by L-Drago and only narrowly edging a stamina rival in defence, then losing every round to Earth Sagittario in a pure stamina test, leading the tester and other members to agree the promotional wheel is largely a novelty rather than a competitive part.
- MF-F Sol Blaze CH120RF
- MF-H Earth Bull R145WB
- MF Lightning L-Drago CH120RF
- MF-H Sol Bull R145WB
- Ray Unicorno 100RF
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Spriggan Requiem Testing And Discussion [Limited Format]
Testers exploring whether the banned Spriggan Requiem would actually be too strong for Limited format got mixed results: Z Achilles beat it decisively on its Quick' driver but split closely on other drivers, and Twin Nemesis dominated it in several match-ups, leading one tester to argue it wouldn't be overpowered in the format while another dismissed several of the results as unreliable.
Argued, never settled
- Z Achilles 00E Ul' (Sliding Shoot)
- Spriggan Requiem (Left, Weak) 5W Br
- Z Achilles 00E Qc' (Sliding Shoot)
- Z Achilles 00E Ds' (Tilt)
- Twin Nemesis 0E Ds'
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Spriggan Requiem Testing/Discussion
An early ten-round test found the newly released Spriggan Requiem's Xtreme driver losing to Drain Fafnir's Atomic on Glaive about 70% of the time, but subsequent replies argued over whether the results were credible and whether stock or fully customized builds were the point of the testing, leaving the layer's real competitive standing unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Spriggan Requiem 7Meteor Xtreme (Right Spin Mode)
- Drain Fafnir 4Glaive Atomic
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Spryzen Requiem S3 Testing and Discussion
Right-spin Spryzen Requiem S3 dominated Luinor L3 across Orbit, Atomic and Weight drivers while left-spin results ran closer, and Glaive-framed setups on Bearing or Destroy beat Xcalius X3 and swept Caynox C3. Posters also argued over whether the heavier 0 disc or the more mobile 7 disc made the better attack choice, eventually treating both as valid depending on the trade-off wanted, and one poster separately praised a Trans-disc build for switching between stamina and burst-forcing roles.
Argued, never settled
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (left spin) 7 Bearing
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (right spin) 7 Bearing
- Luinor L3 Orbit
- Luinor L3 Atomic
- Luinor L3 Weight
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Stamina Custom
A Flame-wheel stamina build swept a Libra defensive staple five wins to zero across repeated trials and also won most rounds against a low-track attack custom, and other members agreed Flame's slim, low-profile shape explains the result, recommending the D bottom over rounder alternatives for better balance.
- Leone, Flame, D125, S
- Leone, Flame, D125, D
- Libra, WD145, WB
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Stamina layers comparison in the current metagame
Posters tried to rank the available right-spin stamina layers against one another, but repeatedly noted that unlike attack or defense, layer-versus-layer stamina testing across the community was scattered and inconsistent, with different layers tested against different opponents rather than each other. Contributors traded partial, conflicting stamina orderings (Chaos, Deathscyther, Odin and others) without settling on an agreed ranking.
Argued, never settled
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Stamina Track Tesing(145 vs DF145 vs AD145 vs 85)
Head-to-head testing had the AD145 track beating both the standard 145 and DF145 tracks by wide margins, but a separate member's results claimed the much lower 85 height achieved a perfect win rate against every other height including AD145, so the group ended up split over whether AD145 or 85 was the stronger stamina track, especially given how common low-track attack types had become.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Aquario DF145WD
- Earth Aquario 145WD
- Earth Aquario AD145WD
- Earth Bull 85B
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Stamina Wheel Testing
Round-robin spin-off matches between the stamina metal wheels put Burn well ahead on overall win percentage, with Thermal a clear second and Flame, Earth and Virgo trailing badly; the author concluded Burn should replace Earth and Virgo as the go-to stamina wheel. Replies pushed back that the ranking only holds for stamina mirror matches and asked for retests against attack types and against the rare five-minute Virgo mould, so the ranking was accepted only as a starting point rather than a closed case.
Argued, never settled
- Burn Pisces DF145B
- Thermal Pisces DF145B
- Earth Pisces DF145B
- Flame Pisces DF145B
- Virgo DF145B
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Staminathon - Burn and Thermal Testing
Head-to-head testing of Burn and Thermal wheels against Flame in mirror stamina match-ups produced close results, but both stamina wheels lost decisively when pitted against attack combinations such as Storm Pegasis 100RF and MF Lightning LDrago CH120RF. This sparked a dispute over whether testing a stamina wheel against attack types is even meaningful, with some arguing stamina blades are not meant to withstand attackers and others insisting tournament stamina combos must still be checked against them; no agreement was reached.
Argued, never settled
- Burn Pheonix DF145SD
- Burn Bull DF145SD
- Thermal Pisces DF145SD
- Flame Cancer DF145SD
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strata dragoon ms is good in this combo
The original builder praised a Samurai Changer, Strata Dragoon, Circle Wide and Draciel rubber-core stack for lasting nearly as long as newer blades and stealing spins well through its extra metal sub-ring, crediting a tall enough core with keeping it clear of the stadium floor. Other posters called it fun rather than usable, pointing out the extra attack ring and missing weight disk make it an illegal build, and offered an Advance Survivor or Balancer with Circle Wide and Bearing Core as the effective, legal version.
Argued, never settled
- BP: Samurai Changer (3rd mold), AR: Strata Dragoon (Takara), WD: Circle Wide, RC: Draciel
- AR: Advance Survivor or Advance Balancer, WD: Circle Wide, RC: Bearing Core
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Surge/Pro Series Testing and Discussion Thread
Glide Roktavor was reported to hold up well against Breaker Xcalius, a layer some posters considered a strong attacker for bursting Balkesh B3, though others disputed that Xcalius's reputation was earned at all. A separate ten-round test then had Turbo Achilles beat Glide Roktavor in every round, which the tester found surprising since that same Achilles build had struggled against most other opponents tried.
Argued, never settled
- Glide Roktavor Wheel Revolve-SPM
- Turbo Achilles 00 Dimension-S
- Breaker Xcalius
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Survival Defense Plastic Combo
The builder presented a survival-oriented defense combination and reported it performing well, planning to swap in Wide Defense and HMC once available. Other bladers suggested alternatives such as Upper Dragoon in place of Smash Turtle and War Lion's attack ring, plus a heavier MG core, and weighed in on part-to-part weight variance, but nobody reported the suggested swaps actually beating the original combination.
- Smash Turtle Wide Survivor Neo Right MW Cross Survivor Customize Metal Change
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Tell Me Combos for Luinor L2 and/or Anubion A2 Testing!
Twenty-round tests had Anubion A2 on Spread Revolve losing clearly to Roktavor Heavy Xtreme, narrowly beating Jormuntor J2 on Gravity Survive, and losing heavily to Unicrest Heavy Needle, giving a mixed early read on Anubion A2's usefulness while further Luinor L2 match-ups against the same opponents were still being organized.
- Anubion A2 Spread Revolve
- Roktavor Heavy Xtreme
- Jormuntor J2 Gravity Survive
- Luinor L2 Gravity Xtreme
- Unicrest Heavy Needle
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Tempest Dragon Testing & Discussion
Ten-round tests found Tempest Dragon on Charge Metal losing most of its matches against Brave Lucifer's Destroy' build and against Lord Fafnir's 0Cross Xtend+, while separate tests of Tempest Satan and Tempest Lucifer on the same chassis performed much better, leading one tester to judge the Dragon variant clearly weaker than its siblings.
- Tempest Dragon Charge Metal 1A
- Brave Lucifer Destroy' 2A
- Tempest Satan Yard Metal 1A
- Curse Lucifer Mobius 2S
- Tempest Lucifer Atomic 2S
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Testing on Galaxy Zeus
A first test found Galaxy Zeus on Eternal losing to Deep Chaos on Eternal roughly two to one despite bursting it a few times, but switching Galaxy Zeus to 00Expand Destroy' reversed the result to a 90% win rate, which some attributed to the original Deep Chaos build having poor stamina rather than to Galaxy Zeus itself; a separate exchange reported World Spriggan's Left, No-Free-Spin, Dimension' Low build beating Rage Longinus on Jolt consistently, though one re-test flipped that result once, which the tester chalked up to an inconsistent launch rather than a real reversal.
Argued, never settled
- Galaxy Zeus 0 Eternal
- Deep Chaos 0 Eternal
- Galaxy Zeus 00Expand Destroy'
- World Spriggan Left No Free Spin 2B Dimension' Low
- Rage Longinus 3A Jolt
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The Absolute Worst Combos Ever
Posters nominated Trident on Oval Impact and Spryzen on Oval Revolve as some of the weakest possible builds, criticizing the disc-and-driver pairing for adding no stamina and leaving the layer easy to burst, while disagreeing over whether layers like Wyvern and Chaos actually deserve their reputation as weak, with some arguing they hold up well defensively.
Argued, never settled
- Trident Oval Impact
- Spryzen Oval Revolve
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The D Series's Importance in Stamina
The write-up argued that D-family bottoms are primarily stamina tools rather than defensive ones despite the name, recommending D or SD on taller tracks like 230 and TH170 with light circular wheels and the WD-family bottoms on lower tracks like SA165; replies disagreed on whether D beats SD or WD beats EWD, leaving both rankings unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 230 D/SD
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) TH170 D/SD
- Duo 160PD
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The misconception of RF vs. R2F, and the competitive potential of LRF
A single controlled comparison actually had the round RF bottom beating a stamina/defense combo more often than the hooked R2F did (80 percent versus 70 percent), challenging the common belief that R2F's shape gives it more usable smash, but posters agreed one test set wasn't proof enough and that rubber softness and wear likely matter more than the shape itself, leaving the question open.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Flash Orion GB145R2F
- MF-H Flash Orion GB145RF
- Reviser Reviser BD145CS
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Thoughts about parts/Odd combos/The metagame in general
Members swapped personal favourite off-meta pairings, such as Storm Capricorn 100B, Rock Leone CH120RF, and Storm Aquario T125HF/S, and floated the idea that M145 might pair well with Ball-series bottoms for defense, but nearly every report was a single person's impression rather than a systematic win-rate comparison, so nothing was established either way.
- Storm Capricorn 100B
- Rock Leone CH120RF
- Rock Cancer CH120B
- Storm Aquario T125HF/S
- Storm Wolf DF145FS
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Try to make a competitive combo with only Dual Layer and Single layer parts!
Members proposed builds restricted to Dual-Layer and Single-Layer parts, such as Dark Deathscyther 7C.At and Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel, but the conversation mostly settled terminology questions, like confirming Unite as the name of Storm Spriggan's driver, rather than reaching any verdict on performance.
- Dark Deathscyther 7C.At
- Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel
- Roktavor R1 Heavy Variable
- Hasbro J2.G.U
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Turbo Spryzen S4 Testing and Discussion
Early rounds had Turbo Spryzen S4 beating Balkesh B3 and Luinor by wide margins in attack and spin-steal setups but losing most of a pure-stamina match against Garuda G3, and the tester still rated it a top-tier attack and spin-steal layer overall. A later version on the Rise-H driver then beat Lord Spriggan's usual Xtend+ counter and split evenly against Cho Z Spriggan on Atomic, leading posters to agree Rise-H had turned out to be a workable Hasbro answer to that match-up.
- Turbo Spryzen S4 00W X (right spin)
- Turbo Spryzen S4 00W Br
- Turbo Spryzen S4 00Expand Rise-H (right spin)
- Turbo Spryzen Sting Rise-H (left)
- Balkesh B3 0B Br
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Turbo Valtryek V3 Testing and Discussion
Requested stationary and burst-focused rounds had Turbo Valtryek V3 bursting in every round against Spryzen Requiem S3 on both spin directions, and it also burst under hard launches against a Fafnir-family opponent that itself came close to bursting, pointing to Valtryek being outmatched for burst resistance in the setups tried rather than a strong counter to those parts.
- Turbo Valtryek V3 0B.At
- Spryzen Requiem S3 00B.Br
- Turbo Valtryek V3 00Angle Anchor
- dC3 7Flow Orbit
- tV3 Blitz X/Hunter
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Twin Nemesis Testing and Discussion [Limited Format]
Repeated ten-round tests found Twin Nemesis on 0Expand Destroy' sweeping or nearly sweeping Geist Fafnir, Z Achilles, and most Arc Bahamut setups, while it lost more evenly, or outright, to Asteroid Zeutron and to Alter Chronos on certain drivers, pointing to a strong but match-up-dependent Limited-format layer rather than a blanket top pick.
- Twin Nemesis 0E Ds'
- Asteroid Zeutron 0C U
- Drain Fafnir Outer Et
- Geist Fafnir Outer Et
- Alter Chronos 0C At
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Ultimate Combos Discussion
Members tried to build the strongest possible combination while staying within a single evolution line's own parts, and disagreed over whether Crash's metal wings give it better stamina than Blaze within the Longinus line, without settling on one agreed build.
Argued, never settled
- Zwei Longinus Nine Destroy Metsu
- Dranzer.10W.Quest
- Judgment Diabolos Sting(Gold) Quick Dash
- Cho-Z Valkyrie.00B.Hunter'
- Cho-z Valkyrie.Around.Extreme'
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Union Achilles Testing Thread
Ten-round tests found Union Achilles losing every matchup tried against Cho-Z Spriggan and Dread Bahamut, taking at most one round in ten across three different driver setups, while separate feedback rated the Achilles chip and Retsu driver as strong attack pieces even though the Union chassis and Convert disc were judged outclassed and skippable.
- Union Achilles 7G Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) Retsu
- Union Achilles Convert Destroy Retsu
- Union Achilles 0Wall Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) Retsu
- Cho Z Spriggan 0W Br
- Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing
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Valkyrie/Spriggan Heavy Accel vs Kerbeus Customs, New tests added 8/5
Round-by-round testing found Spriggan Heavy Accel beating Kerbeus Central Defense about 65% of the time but splitting evenly with Kerbeus on both Heavy Defense and Spread Defense, and other bladers reported Valkyrie's results against Kerbeus swinging with launch technique and mold differences, so the build was never confirmed as clearly better than Valkyrie.
Argued, never settled
- Spriggan Heavy Accel
- Kerbeus Central Defense
- Kerbeus Heavy Defense
- Kerbeus Spread Defense
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Valkyrie/Spriggan/Ragnaruk/Kerbeous Heavy Accel Testing
Extensive round-by-round testing against Kerbeus Spread and Heavy Defense had Spriggan Heavy Accel finishing as the most consistent attacker at roughly a 50% win rate in both matchups, while Ragnaruk and especially Valkyrie underperformed once the tester suspected worn teeth on their own Valkyrie, and testers noted that Burst layers appear to wear out quickly enough to skew results over repeated use.
- Valkyrie Wing Accel
- Ragnaruk Heavy Accel
- Spriggan Heavy Accel
- Valkyrie Heavy Accel
- Kerbeus Spread Defense
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Vanish Fafnir Testing And Discussion
Testers found Vanish Fafnir's low mode leaning toward defense and its high mode toward attack, with most matchups against right-spin opponents like Rage Longinus and Tempest Lucifer on Bearing coming out close to even, and the Tapered driver was singled out as pairing especially well with Bearing; its heavy rubber content kept coming up as a burst-resistance concern across every mode tried.
Argued, never settled
- Cyclone Belial Giga Never-6
- Vanish Fafnir Giga Never-6
- World Spriggan Giga Drift 1S
- Vanish Fafnir Tapered Bearing 6
- Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A
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Variant Lucifer Testing & Discussion
Ten-round tests produced scattered results for Variant Lucifer: it lost decisively to Rage Helios on Universe and to Brave Valkyrie on Destroy', split closely with Master Spriggan and Mirage Fafnir, and beat Rage Longinus on Bearing, leaving no consistent verdict on how it stacks up competitively.
Argued, never settled
- Variant Lucifer Universe 2D
- Rage Helios Jolt' 3A
- Variant Lucifer Mobius 2D
- Mirage Fafnir Bearing 2S (Counter Mode)
- Variant Lucifer Jolt' 2D
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Vise Leopard Testing Thread
Ten-round testing found Vise Leopard scoring 0% on the attack-oriented Jolt and Volcanic drivers against Archer Hercules and Garuda G3, leading testers to conclude the layer was too round for pure attack, while it won most rounds on Yard and Glaive Yard against Winning Valkyrie and Nightmare Longinus, and later disc swaps against Archer Hercules and Revive Phoenix gave mixed, launch-dependent results.
- Vise Leopard 4 Yard
- Vise Leopard 7 Yard
- Vise Leopard 8 Eternal
- Vise Leopard 0 Jolt
- Vise Leopard 0 Volcanic
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What do you think is the strongest beyblade combo with lord spriggan
A lengthy argument over which driver gives Lord Spriggan the best life-after-death, with Drift, Mobius, Zone'+z, Bearing and Xtend+ each defended and disputed without any ranking being settled, ended with one commenter offering role-specific Lord Spriggan-family builds instead: Diaboros II on Paradox Rise for LAD and counter-attack, Hydra or Diaboros II on Blitz for general attack, Hydra on Wheel, Ratchet or Around Yielding for stamina, and Hydra with a burst-focused driver for aggressive bursting.
Argued, never settled
- Lord Diaboros II.Paradox.Rise
- Lord Hydra/Diaboros II.Blitz.Merge/Evolution'-A2
- Lord Hydra.Wheel/Ratchet/Around.Yielding
- Lord Hydra.Sting/Blitz/Wheel.Quick'/Ultimate Reboot'/Evolution'-Awakened Stage 2
- Lord Pegasus.Convert.Edge (Unbalanced)
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Winning Valkyrie Combo Testing
Ten-round testing had Winning Valkyrie on Glaive Destroy winning most matchups, taking 70% against Legend Spryzen, 100% against Anubion A2, and 60% against both Z Achilles and Nightmare Longinus, though one reply questioned whether attack-versus-attack results mean much without a common benchmark opponent for comparison.
Argued, never settled
- Winning Valkyrie 7 Glaive Destroy
- Legend Spryzen 4 Meteor Xtreme
- Winning Valkyrie 4 Meteor Xtreme
- Alter Cognite 7 Glaive Orbit
- Z Achilles 4 Destroy
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World Spriggan Testing & Discussion
Repeated ten-round tests found World Spriggan dominating right-spin opponents across several driver setups, sweeping Brave Valkyrie on Atomic and taking most rounds from Rage Longinus and Rage Diabolos on Jolt', with testers treating it as a strong stamina and spin-equalizing layer without a clear counter turning up.
- World Spriggan Unite' 2B (Right Spin)
- Rage Longinus Jolt' 3A
- World Spriggan Atomic 2B (free spin)
- Brave Valkyrie Destroy' 2A (6 Bladed)
- World Spriggan Bearing 2D (Right Spin)
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WORST COMBOS!!!?
Bladers nominated Storm Spriggan on 12 Quest and first-generation Spriggan on 12 Bearing as some of the weakest builds around, with Maximum Garuda Oval Edge singled out as unbeatable in the worst sense for its constant bursting and poor stamina, while a side argument over whether the 12 disc or the Aero' disc is lighter, and therefore more burst-prone, was never resolved.
Argued, never settled
- Storm Spriggan 12 Quest
- Spriggan (1st gen) 12 Bearing
- Maximum Garuda Oval Edge
- Crash Ragnaruk 12Wall Quest
- Orb Engaard
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Zero-G Combo/Parts Requests
A combo-testing request thread produced only a partial BB-10 test of Duo Gasher TH170WSF against Gargole Dragooon that stalled before finishing, and a debate over whether a tornado-stalling Duo Cygnus build could even work, since Zero-G stadiums lack the ridge and have corner holes that make stalling impossible; no proposed combination was fully tested and confirmed.
Argued, never settled
- MF-F/MF-L Duo Cygnus TH170 WSF/BSF
- Duo Gasher TH170WSF
- Final Drive bottom on Diablo
- MF-H L-Drago Destroy F:D vs DragOOOn B:D
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Zwei Longinus Testing Thread
Multiple ten-round-plus tests found Zwei Longinus and Zwei Fafnir beating Balkesh B3 and Slash Valkyrie by knockout or burst on Destroy' and Jolt' drivers at high win rates, including one twenty-round test where Zwei Fafnir beat Balkesh B3 85% of the time mostly by driving it into the stadium wall; testers concluded the Zwei layers attack well against left-spin opponents and spin-equalize against right-spin ones.
- Balkesh B3 0G At
- Zwei Longinus Dr Ds' Metsu
- Zwei Longinus 0B Br
- Slash Valkyrie 10S X'
- Zwei Fafnir 10Glaive Jolt' 滅
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Sieg Xcalibur Testing and Discussion
Testing found Sieg Xcalibur handling two rival attackers more comfortably than a well-known top attacker does and sweeping a defensive rival outright, while splitting evenly against another top contender, a trade-off the tester judged acceptable since other builds cover that matchup; other testers disputed the reported win rate against one rival as too generous and argued the established top attacker still holds a stamina edge in a direct attack-versus-attack matchup.
Argued, never settled
- Metal Sieg Xcalibur 7Meteor Xtreme
- Alter Chronos 4Glaive Atomic
- Drain Fafnir 4Glaive Atomic
- Guardian Kerbeus 4Glaive Revolve
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic
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Tallest beyblade x combo
Posters compared which Beyblade X parts would build the tallest possible combination, generally agreeing LeonCrest is taller than KnightLance (with KnightLance offered as a substitute) and noting that CX parts changed which build holds the record, while acknowledging such height-focused builds would sacrifice burst resistance; no single tallest combination was settled on.
Argued, never settled
- Dark Persues 3-85 disc ball assist blade
- LeonCrest
- SharkEdge 4-45 Low Flat
- SharkEdge 4-45 Low Rush
- Disc Ball, 3-85 and LeonCrest
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TH170 vs 230
Posters debated whether the multi-height TH170 track has outclassed the fixed-height 230 track. Several agreed 230 still holds an edge for pure defense because of its smooth, structurally solid surface, citing Basalt 230 CS as a case where 230 outperforms the TH170 equivalent, while others favoured TH170 for its versatility and attack-oriented use; the discussion ended without either side conceding.
Argued, never settled
- Basalt 230 CS
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Best Defense Combo
Posters recommended Maximum Garuda Cross variants and, later, Spriggan Requiem paired with a Bump disc and Octa driver as the strongest defense options, valuing Octa's resistance to knockouts despite disagreement over its tendency to wobble off balance.
Argued, never settled
- MGC aC 7 G At
- MGC dF 7 Glaive Atomic/Octa
- Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Octa
- G27GU
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Defence beating combo
A recoil-heavy attack build around Sonic Tiger and a War Lion sub-ring was shared as a way to knock a defence-type opponent out in a balance-style stadium, but other bladers argued that outlasting a defence build through survival is more reliable than trading recoil hits, and that a different bottom would cut its own risk of ringing out.
Argued, never settled
- Sonic Tiger / 6 or 10 Heavy / Left SG
- War Lion / War Lion (sub AR) / 10 Heavy / HMC / SG Metal Ball Base
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Hazard Kerbeus K4 Testing and Discussion
Stamina testing had Hazard Kerbeus K4 losing nearly every matchup tried, including a complete shutout against Balkesh B3, with only a handful of rounds won against Caynox C3 or Garuda G3. The results fed into a broader side discussion about whether Hasbro's newer parts generation needed the same level of refinement as Takara Tomy's.
- Hazard Kerbeus K4 7 Bearing
- Hazard Kerbeus K4 7 Atomic
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Horusood Hasbro Only Combo Opinions
Members generally approved of a casual Horusood build running the 00 disk and Bullet I-H tip, suggesting Valor-H, Atomic, Bearing or a Cross Frame as possible upgrades, but a side argument broke out over which Hypersphere tip actually has the best late-air-death, with several posters arguing Bullet I-H, Jaggy-H and Rise-H all beat Valor-H in that respect despite Valor-H's edge in same-spin stamina, and that ranking was never settled.
Argued, never settled
- Horusood 00 Bullet I-H
- Horusood Gravity Eternal-S
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I need a good emperor Forneus combo!
Builders leaned toward pairing Emperor Forneus with a 7 or 4G disc and either Orbit for a steadier, lower-burst spin or Atomic for more aggression at the cost of stability, since the heavy layer tends to wobble and tip without a level chip. For the companion Screw Trident, posters favoured swapping in a Cross disc over Meteor for better life-after-death, with an A-mold God Chip build suggested as a solid stamina option.
- eF.7/4G.O/at
- Emperor Forneus 7 Star Orbit
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Aesthetically pleasing combos!
Chickenbot1000 invited colour-matched combo submissions, and other bladers shared builds like Maximum Garuda paired with Air Knight and Archer Hercules parts, Wolborg on 8 Bearing, and Nightmare Longinus with a Bahamut-sourced Bump, focused purely on visual appeal rather than any competitive performance.
- Maximum Garuda 8 Expand Eternal-S
- Arc Balkesh 0 Meteor Atomic
- Cho-Z Valkyrie/Turbo Valtryek
- Wolborg 8 Bearing
- Evil-Eye Outer Operate
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My Combo
A language barrier made it hard for other members to tell whether the poster meant one build or two, and after some back-and-forth interpretation the exchange mostly clarified terminology, such as spin gear versus base, rather than reaching any verdict on how well the build actually performs.
Argued, never settled
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Rock testing Thread
Rock lost nearly every round in both an attack-mode and a defense-mode setup against Turbo Spryzen, leading the original tester to call it merely okay and advise against using it, and a later self-run combo switching to Wall and Destroy drivers won every round against the same opponent. Other posters flagged the stadium used for that later win as not a sanctioned Burst beystadium, so it was treated as unproven rather than confirming Rock's improvement.
Argued, never settled
- Rock Dragon D5 StT(Attack).X
- Rock Dragon D5 StC.At-S
- Rock Dragon D5 0B.O
- Rock Dragon D5 0B.Ds
- Turbo Spryzen 0B.At
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Seemingly weak combos that are actually good
The original poster listed several unconventional stock and custom builds claimed to outperform expectations, but other testers pushed back on most of the picks directly, calling one layer uncompetitive and disputing the disc-weight reasoning behind several others, so none of the listed builds came away confirmed as genuinely strong.
Argued, never settled
- Lightning Istrios stock combo
- Forneus, Heavy, Atomic
- Galaxy Zeutron, 4, Edge
- Surge Xcalius, 6, Sword
- Salamander (Attack), 6, Blow
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Should we include B:D's mold in testing? Should we test always against RD B:D?
Members debated whether every stamina build needed to beat a dominant B:D combo to count as good, and the rough landing point was that it makes a useful benchmark without being mandatory, since a build made to beat other right-spin stamina rivals can still have value even if it loses to B:D, though disagreement continued over how much individual B:D units vary in spin performance.
Argued, never settled
- Reviser Dragooon B:D
- Duo Cancer SA165BWD
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Wyvern Heavy Survive vs Kerbeus Heavy Survive
Round-robin testing found Wyvern Heavy Survive winning 65 percent of rounds against a Heavy Accel Valkyrie benchmark, reversing the tester's expectation that Wyvern was the weaker defensive build, while Kerbeus Heavy Survive lost 65 percent of its rounds to that same Valkyrie; Survive's minimal stadium contact was credited with giving Wyvern enough mobility to deflect hits, but follow-up replies disputed whether a Claw driver was just as good as Survive and noted that Massive still needed proper testing.
Argued, never settled
- Valkyrie Heavy Accel
- Kerbeus Heavy Survive
- Wyvern Heavy Survive
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[HMS] :: Competitive Custom List and Public Discussion
A running list of the strongest Heavy Metal System attack rings, wide discs and cores for Upper, Smash and Defense/Survival roles drew disagreement over details, including whether Slash Upper deserved a spot under Smash as well as Upper, and whether Advance Eterner should be listed for Defense alongside Advance Balancer; contributors kept revising the formatting and entries rather than reaching one fixed version.
Argued, never settled
- Samurai Upper/Circle Upper AR / CWD God Ring/CWD Defence Ring WD / Bearing Core 2 RC
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A few Stamina combos
SaMaster14 posted stamina builds using Earth Aquila, Thermal Pisces and Flame Libra, and testers judged Earth Aquila DF145D the strongest of the group, but disagreed about ranking Flame against Thermal since the compared builds used different tracks and bottoms, leaving that comparison unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Aquila DF145D
- Thermal Pisces T125D
- Flame Libra DF145BS
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Add a little attack to your stamina! Burn Cancer 230B
Evan tested a mode-changing build combining the 230 track with the B bottom against 145WD and 100WD opponents, winning most matches by switching between an aggressive sliding shoot on taller tracks and a straight launch for stamina on shorter ones, though he noted the attack-mode technique stopped working below roughly 135 in track height and left WB and JB variants untested.
- 230B vs 145WD
- 230B vs 100WD
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An attack plastic combo.
Pich built a left-spin smash-attack combo using Driger F's tip fitted into Dranzer S's casing with Draciel V2, and other bladers suggested swapping in Wolborg's or Gaia Dragoon V's base for a lighter, faster result while clarifying that the tip does not sit fully fixed in that casing.
- Driger F tip in Dranzer S casing + Draciel V2 SP (left spin)
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Asteroid Zeutron Z3 Testing and Discussion
Zeutron Z3's Orbit build beat another Zeutron variant and a stationary attacker on Atomic mode, and crushed a Bearing-based Balkesh, but it lost clearly to Garuda's Orbit and to Tomahawk's Orbit, and tied a stationary-stamina attacker rather than beating it, painting Z3 as a middle-of-the-pack stamina layer rather than a standout.
Argued, never settled
- Z3.0C.O
- Z4.0C.O
- dC3.0C.O
- K4.0C.O
- B3.0C.Br
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Basalt Horogium Testing.
Extensive head-to-head testing found Basalt Horogium excelled defensively, winning roughly 80-100% of rounds against Earth Bull, Flame Bull and Vulcan Horuseus builds and doing especially well on the AD145WD track and tip, but performed poorly as an attacker, winning as little as 0-10% on shorter, flatter tips because it lacked the power to knock stamina types out; testers concluded Basalt worked best purely as a stamina and defense wheel rather than for offense.
- Basalt Horogium DF145WD
- Basalt Horogium 85WD
- Basalt Horogium AD145WD
- MF-H Basalt Horogium GB145WB
- Basalt Horogium 145R2F
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Beyblade: Rebirth! Format testing
Members debated a proposed ban list for a house format restricted to pre-Maximum-series Metal Fight parts, disagreeing over whether Libra was a genuine Basalt-level threat needing a ban or only mid-tier, and whether the 230 track and BD145 bottom were too dominant for low attackers and lighter stamina builds to survive against.
Argued, never settled
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Blaze Ragnaruk.4C.Cycle vs Revolve
Across several control matchups, the tester found the Cycle driver performed comparably to Revolve on Blaze Ragnaruk but not quite as well, concluding that Revolve remained the better choice pending more data. A later exchange debated where Blaze Ragnaruk's raw stamina ranks against Wyvern, Odin, D and D2, without the participants agreeing.
Argued, never settled
- Blaze Ragnaruk 4C Cycle
- Blaze Ragnaruk 4C Revolve
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Combos that won me tournaments
Two builds presented as tournament winners were challenged rather than praised: the Dranzer S combo was flagged as potentially illegal if its weight disk was the blue Wide Defense accessory, and the Driger MS "balancer" build was pointed out to be nothing more than standard Driger MS with a different weight disk rather than a genuinely new combination.
Argued, never settled
- Dranzer S AR / OTC WD / Right Neo Spin Gear w/ HMC SG / Voltaic Ape SP/BB
- Driger MS AR / Draciel MS WD / Driger MS RC (Right Spin)
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Gemios Testing
Repeated battles against Earth Bull showed Gemios hitting hard enough with a Metal Face attached to punt the opponent clean out of the stadium, but its knockout power faded fast if the first hit missed, leaving it with almost no late-game comeback ability. Swapping onto T125 traded away some of that explosive power for steadier attack later in a match, though results stayed close and testing was cut short when the tester's part broke.
- Gemios 145RF
- MF Gemios 145RF
- Gemios T125
- Earth Bull GB145WB
- MF Earth Bull GB145WB
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Hasbro Metagame Stadium & Combo Testing 2! Alpha-Stage Tier List Avaliable! Updates!!
Contributors were building a tier list for Hasbro-only Metal Fight play from submitted stadium tests, with reported results including Earth Virgo125WD beating Lightning L-Drago100WD 15 rounds to 5 by repeated knockouts and Poison Serpent unexpectedly beating Storm Pegasus 10 of 12 rounds. The tier list itself stayed unfinished, with contributors arguing over which stadiums, launchers and rule variants should count toward it.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Bull CH120WD
- Earth Virgo125WD
- Lightning L-Drago100WD
- Poison Serpent SW154SD
- Storm Pegasus 105RF
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Hasbro Metagame Stadium & Combo Testing 2! Alpha-Stage Tier List Avaliable! Updates!!
Early battle logs favoured Earth Virgo125WD over Lightning L-Drago100WD even under a high-RPM Rev-Up launch, and Poison Serpent SW154SD unexpectedly beat Storm Pegasus 105RF by a wide margin, surprising posters who expected the balance-type Serpent to spin more passively. Rules for legal launchers and stadiums were still being argued out, so the developing tier list stayed provisional.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Virgo125WD
- Lightning L-Drago100WD
- Poison Serpent SW154SD
- Storm Pegasus 105RF
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Libra (Re)Testing: Please Chip In! (UPDATED 3RD Feb!)
Extended community testing on the banned Libra Metal Wheel showed results swinging heavily with track height and metal face: on a 120mm track with a metal face it beat Vulcan-style attackers about 70% of the time, while on a 145mm track against Earth Aquario it won only 0-10% of rounds; testers treated this narrow, matchup-dependent performance as key evidence for the ongoing decision on whether to lift Libra's ban.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Libra GB145CS
- mf libra ch120RF
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Mercury Anubis 85XF testing results
Win-rate results showed the Mercury wheel struggling badly against the C145 track-and-tip pairing on Earth Bull while dominating against the GB145 pairing, leading the tester to conclude Mercury's compact size gets pushed out of the stadium centre rather than holding as a stamina or defence part; other posters pushed back that four launches per matchup was too few and asked for a proper ten-round retest.
Argued, never settled
- Mercury Anubis 85XF
- Ray Gil 85R2F
- MF Lightning L-Drago 90RF(Upper)
- Burn Bull DF145WD
- MF Earth Bull C145WB
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MF Storm Wolf 100FS (need testing help)
One test of a balance-parts Storm Wolf 100FS build, assembled from spare parts without a metal face, found it could not compete with a solid attack-type rival in attack-stadium testing; most other bladers dismissed the FS tip as generally weak, though one noted it had shown some use on Burn Wolf T125FS as part of a destabilizing attack style.
Argued, never settled
- Storm Wolf 100FS
- Burn Wolf T125FS
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MFB Tiers list testing thread
Structured stamina testing meant to check a proposed tier list found Earth Bull beating Pisces around 75-80% of the time, Flame Bull and Virgo landing close to even with Pisces near 40-45%, and Rock Bull losing to Pisces heavily at roughly 10-90%, while the same tester found Rock Bull actually beat Storm for attack purposes despite an earlier assumption otherwise; testing continued across further tracks and bottoms with no final tier placements yet fixed.
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My ATTACK Combo
A blader built an attack-endurance combination from an 8 Spiker ring, an MG Core spin gear and a 6 Balance weight disk on what he called a Bearing Base, but other members insisted an MG Core cannot physically pair with a true Bearing Base, that 6 Balance is a poor weight-disk pick, and that mixing an attack ring with a survival-type base undercuts both roles.
Argued, never settled
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My HMS Combo, Xeyrs
A custom pairing of Metal Upper with a Metal Flat Core was repeatedly judged inferior to leaving Advance Striker uncustomized, with several members naming Samurai Upper, Circle Upper and Advanced Attacker as clearly stronger upper-attack rings than Metal Upper.
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Orange F230 VS Brown F230 - Comparison
Solo-spin and mirror-battle testing found the orange F230 mold (Bandid Genbull) spinning more freely, wearing more slowly, and beating the brown mold (Thief Saramanda) decisively in direct mirror battles (18 wins to 2), with the brown copies also showing more wobbling and internal plastic wear after use.
- MF-H Dark Horogium F230TB
- MF-F Phantom Cygnus F230BWD
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Perfect Phoenix testing thread
Perfect Phoenix on 0Cross Xtend+ ran close to even against Hell Salamander on Wall Bearing, losing a slight majority of rounds, but won a clear 70% against Archer Hercules in a same-spin driver-grip comparison. Testers also flagged large weight variance in the OO disc as a likely factor in inconsistent results and found that removing the frame often helped same-spin stamina performance on drivers like Xtend+.
- (LC)pP.0C.Xt+(stamina) vs (LC)(10 blade)hS.0W.Br
- (LC)pP.0C.Xt+(stamina) vs (LC)aH.7C.Xt+(stamina)
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Stamina/Defence combo
Members suggested swapping the original build's wheel and track for a heavier wheel and a stamina-oriented track to push it further toward stamina while keeping some defence, with clear versus solid parts offering a stamina-versus-defence trade-off, though they disagreed on whether the result should be labelled a defence build or a stamina build and whether such hybrids can compete with dedicated builds of either kind.
Argued, never settled
- Whatever, Bull, Burn, DF145, FS
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TH170 vs 230
The question here was narrowed to which track beats other tracks rather than each other directly, and the exchange concluded that TH170's advantage is largely limited to better stamina and matchups against 145-height tracks at 170 height, while 230 still wins with Basalt as the wheel and holds up against AD145 in most cases. No side fully accepted that 230 is outclassed, so the comparison stayed contested.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Basalt 230CS/D
- AD145
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The CF vs. GCF Debate
Solo-spin timing came out nearly identical for the two bottoms, so posters shifted to arguing about shape: one tester found GCF stood upright longer after spinning stopped and argued this extends spin-stealing, while others countered that tip width, rubber density and wear matter more than the spike pattern, and the group never agreed on which bottom truly performs better on F230.
Argued, never settled
- F230 CF
- F230 GCF
- Genbull Dragooon T125GCF
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The Wild Dragon: MF-H Meteo L-Drago 90CS, The Ultimate Balance Combo!
The build won nearly every round against a stamina-leaning defense combo and a full defense build, but lost every round to Burn Bull 90WD and only narrowly beat MF Vulcan Horuseus, and replies argued over whether pulling traits from all three categories at once actually qualifies it as a Balance type rather than a build with clashing parts.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Meteo L-Drago 90CS
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Winning Combinations.
This tournament-winner archive repeatedly credited Earth Bull on 230CS or GB145RS as a top-performing build across separate events, alongside variants like Basalt Bull on 230CS or AD145WD and L Drago on 100WF, while participants argued over side choices such as why MF-L clear wheels were picked over MF-F or MF-H for a given build.
Argued, never settled
- MF-L Earth Bull 230CS
- Flame/Earth 230CS
- MF-H Basalt Bull 230CS
- MF Hell Kerbecs BD145(boost mode)WD
- MF-H Basalt Bull AD145WD
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Worst Blade Combos:P
Posters traded examples of their weakest self-built combinations, from a Tri Cutter/6-Wide/SG Metal Change build with almost no attack power to a Fire Cracker/6-Heavy/SG Auto Change Base pairing offered as a quick way to make something bad, generally agreeing that stacking already-weak attack rings with heavy or balance-type bottoms produced sluggish, low-impact blades with little practical use.
- Tri Cutter / 6-Wide / Right Spin SG Case / Neo SG Core / SG Metal Change BB
- Metal Shield or Metal Defense / God Ring or Free Crusher WD / Grip Flat Core Ultimate mode RC
- Driger V / Magnacore WD / MWC SG / Dranzer V BB
- Driger MS / CWD Defense Ring WD / Bearing Core RC
- Advance Defenser / CWD Free Crusher WD / Spring Core RC
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Best Stamina Combination of MFB
The Duo wheel paired with an SA165EWD track and bottom was rated the safest and most reliable Metal Fight stamina build, holding up against Duo Cygnus and E230MB counters where Genbu reportedly struggled more, while a Phantom-based build was said to have dominated one specific tournament; whether a Phantom Geminos build with a B:D bottom could beat a Duo 230MB build was left unresolved.
Argued, never settled
- MF-L Duo Cancer SA165EWD
- Phantom Tempo/Horogium B:D
- Duo Cygnus SA165EWD/TB
- MF-L Duo Cygnus 230TB/MB
- MSF-L Girago/Genbu/Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD
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Burst standard defense testing
Testers compared defensive builds on Vanish Fafnir and Astral Spriggan against attackers like Guilty Longinous and Xiphoid Xcalibur across several drivers, finding that Unite' generally defended against Guilty better than Keep, while Astral on Keep' lost badly to Xiphoid. An unusual Astral-over-Destroy' setup was reported to stonewall Guilty by settling near the stadium's edge, but the testers themselves called that result surprising and unexplained.
Argued, never settled
- Vanish Fafnir Over Keep
- Guilty Longinous Nexus+S Metal Xtreme
- Xiphoid Xcalibur Nexus+S Metal Xtreme
- Vanish Fafnir Over Unite'
- Astral Spriggan Over Keep'
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BW Combo Game
In a running Plastics-era game of posting a build to counter the last one, players traded successive attack ring, weight disk and base combinations, but participants eventually admitted the exchanges kept looping between the same handful of stock counters and produced no lasting conclusions.
Argued, never settled
- Triangle Wing / 10-Wide / Neo Left / SG Metal Flat Base
- Twin Horn / Wide Defense / Neo Right / HMC / SG Metal Ball Base
- Tiger Defense / Wide Survivor / Right Wolborg with Bearing Stinger Shaft / SG Bearing Base
- Triple Wing / Wide Defense / Neo-Right / HMC / Defense Ring / Customize Clutch Base
- War Lion / Wide Defense / Neo Right + HMC / SG Metal Ball Base
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DB Layer Testing - Gatling
A recorded twenty-round test found the Almight low-mode setup on Gatling beating a Vanish Fafnir over-bearing build nearly two to one on knockouts and outspins, which the tester read as unusually strong opposite-spin performance for a build not normally rated for attack. A separate defence/stamina test went the other way, with Gatling Dragon losing heavily to Ultimate Perseus, and side arguments over Gatling's overall standing were never resolved.
Argued, never settled
- Gatling Kerbeus Almight (Low Mode + D & V Gears)
- Vanish Fafnir Over Bearing' (Low Mode)
- Gatling Dragon Giga Bearing'
- Ultimate Perseus Nexus+S Quick'
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Dragoon Storm (Burst) Testing
Systematic win-rate testing of Burst Dragoon S across several drivers against a Dark Deathscyther Spread Orbit benchmark put its overall win rate at about 39%, with testers attributing the weak showing to stamina dying after one hit and frequent self-bursting on hard launches, and concluding it works better as a collector's piece than a competitive attacker.
- Dragoon S Polish Hold
- Dragoon S Heavy Xtreme
- Dragoon S Heavy Weight
- Dragoon S Heavy Trans
- Dark Deathscyther Spread Orbit
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Grand/Rock/Ace Dragon Testing Thread
Testing found Ace Dragon splitting rounds closely against Orb Egis, but Grand Dragon lost every single round to Archer Hercules' stamina-mode Xtend+ build across two separate ten-round tests with different frame choices. A further test against Cho-Z Achilles on Charge also went mostly to Cho-Z Achilles, with the tester expressing surprise at how one-sided the Archer Hercules results in particular turned out to be.
- Ace Dragon 0Expand Destroy Zan
- Orb Egis 8Bump Eternal
- Grand Dragon 10Destroy Zan
- Archer Hercules 00Cross Xtend+ (Stamina Mode)
- Grand Dragon 10Expand Destroy Zan
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How did Drain Fafnir, Blast Jinnius have higher stamina than P Phoenix in my tests???
Praagya0's solo-launch stamina tests unexpectedly showed Drain Fafnir and Blast Jinnius outlasting Perfect Phoenix, and other testers attributed this to Perfect Phoenix's greater mass taking longer to reach top spin speed and to the lack of a level chip for balance, while also cautioning that single launches per Beyblade make the comparison unreliable.
Argued, never settled
- Rage Longinus 3A
- Perfect Phoenix
- Drain Fafnir
- Blast Jinnius
- Kries Satan
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Meme testing: WeissTiger 5-60 BS
Testing a WeissTiger blade paired with the Bound Spike bit as a shock-absorbing novelty build, the tester found it consistently tied or traded evenly with strong attack combinations like PhoenixWing and TyrannoBeat despite WeissTiger's known lack of stamina, and swapping to the 3-60 ratchet produced more aggressive knockouts, though which ratchet suits the build best was left unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- WeissTiger 1-60 BS
- WeissTiger 5-60 BS
- WeissTiger 3-60 BS
- PhoenixWing 1-60 Rush
- DranBuster 1-60 LR
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Roktavor R4 Testing and Discussion
Across five separate combinations, Roktavor R4 lost every match-up except a close result on Xtend-S in Battle Ring mode against a stamina-built Hurricane Salamander, doing best on a Meteor-framed attack setup while never showing strength as a defense type. The original tester rated R4 usable as an attack layer for Hasbro-only play but not strong enough for a Takara Tomy-based metagame.
- R4.7M.Hn
- R4.0C.Br
- R4.0C.U
- R4.0C.Xt-S(BR mode)
- R4.7F.O
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Stamina Test: SD
Repeated trials had the SD bottom beating an otherwise identical Virgo build using the standard D bottom by wide margins, around 80 to 90 percent of rounds, and further tests against a Libra custom and an attack type reinforced the result, leading members to add SD to the accepted list of competitive stamina bottoms.
- Virgo DF145SD
- Virgo DF145D
- Storm Pegasis 100RF
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8 Core Disk Testing and Discussion
Solo spin-time testing found the 8 disc gave Guardian Kerbeus slightly better average spin times than the 7 disc but made it prone to launching over the stadium's tornado ridge on hard shots, while 7 stayed more consistent even if its peak time was lower. In actual battles, though, Guardian Kerbeus on 8 lost the majority of its matches to Maximum Garuda on 7 through outspin and to a Guardian Kerbeus 7 Meteor Revolve build through bursts, leading the tester to conclude 8 gives better raw stamina numbers but performs worse in real battles due to balance issues.
- Guardian Kerbeus 8 Glaive Atomic
- Guardian Kerbeus 7 Glaive Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 8 Glaive Atomic
- Guardian Kerbeus 7 Meteor Revolve
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Any Hold' Combos?
rightspin99 asked for good Hold prime combos, and bladekid explained that pairing Hold prime with the Wall disc and frame avoids scraping because Hold prime's low centre of mass keeps the frame off the stadium floor, giving Master Diabolos.00Wall.Hold prime strong precession, while a suggested Turbo Achilles build on Bump and Eternal-S was dismissed as not competitively strong.
- Master Diabolos.00Wall.Hold'
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Astroid Zeutron Z3 Testing and Discussion
The same round of Orbit-mode Zeutron Z3 matchups reported here again showed mixed stamina results: wins over another Zeutron build and a Bearing-based Balkesh, but clear losses to Garuda and Tomahawk on Orbit, and a near-even tie against a same-spin Garuda comparison, reinforcing that Z3 sits in the middle of the stamina pack rather than at the top.
Argued, never settled
- Z3.0C.O
- Z4.0C.O
- dC3.0C.O
- K4.0C.O
- B3.0C.Br
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Best tornado stalling combos
Zephyr, Accel and Assault variant drivers were named as reliable choices for tornado stalling, Generate and Hybrid were called effective but prone to self-knockout once spun up, and Volcanic' was said to need breaking in first; whether Atomic belongs on the list was disputed, since one member argued it is meant for destabilizing opponents rather than stalling.
Argued, never settled
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Compact / defense combos!!
A defense-oriented build combining Driger S, a Heavy Metal Core and a four-ball Draciel S bottom was posted asking for a rating, but the replies turned almost entirely into members negotiating the price of a Heavy Metal Core rather than assessing the build's actual performance.
- Vortex Ape/Driger S AR / 10-Heavy WD / HMC SG / Draciel S BB w/ 4 balls
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Crash Ragnaruk Testing & Discussion
Testing found Crash Ragnaruk's hits strong enough to knock out both Spriggan Requiem and Maximum Garuda on Jolt outright, though its weak teeth left it prone to bursting whenever it failed to land those big hits first. A later run by another tester had it beating Deep Chaos in same-spin stamina, leading the group to treat it as the new benchmark for pure stamina builds, though it fared worse against Sieg Xcalibur in an attack matchup.
- Crash Ragnaruk 11Reach Jolt
- Crash Ragnaruk 0Reach Jolt
- Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Bearing
- MGC Maximum Garuda 0Bump Orbit
- Crash Ragnaruk 7Cross Revolve
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customisation n00b, Help!
A beginner's upper-attack build around Upper Dragoon was refined through feedback: repliers steered away from a Balance weight disc toward Heavy or Wide, explained that Ten Heavy's added weight boosts upper attack power despite reducing endurance from the rubber tip, and recommended Gaia Dragoon V's Metal Flat base as a higher-spin-rate alternative once Storm Grip wears out quickly.
- Upper Dragoon AR + 10 or 8 Balance WD + HMC SG + Storm Grip BB
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Kreis Satan Testing and Discussion
Kreis Satan's raised recoil points repeatedly caught on looser rivals and burst them, winning 60% against Caynox C3 and sweeping a later test against Deep Chaos on Wall Bearing almost entirely by burst, but the same recoil worked against it in a loss to Twin Nemesis and a mixed result against Kerbeus K4. The tester concluded it does best specifically against combos with gaps or recoil points it can hook into, and self-bursts too often to be a safe pick otherwise.
- Kreis Satan (MGC) 7Cross Xtend+ vs Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa
- Kreis Satan (MGC) 7Cross Octa vs Caynox C3 7Wall Bearing
- Kreis Satan (MGC) 7Expand Octa vs Kerbeus K4 7Wall Bearing
- kS3 7B Octa VS dC3 7W Bearing
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Left Spin Attack Customizations?
Early Plastics-era bladers traded homemade left-spin attack setups combining Attack Rings like Eight Spiker or Metal Driger with heavy Weight Disks and various Spin Gears and Blade Bases, and the clearest agreed technical point was that a heavy 10-disk boosts a large Attack Ring's power but noticeably cuts endurance and raises recoil, with a lighter 10-wide preferred when survival mattered more; no single build was settled on as best.
Argued, never settled
- AR: Eight Spiker, WD: 10-heavy, SG: Turbo Left EG, CEW: Grip, BB: First Clutch Dragoon G version
- AR: Metal Driger, WD: ten heavy, SG: dragoon storm, BB: dragoon storm
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ONLY Dragoon Customizations
Posters corrected the opening build's base identification (Dragoon V2 actually ships Customize Grip Base, not Magne Flat Base) and converged on Storm Grip Base as the strongest match for an aggressive Dragoon attack ring, while noting Grip Base cannot be used in left spin, limiting which Dragoon variants can use it.
- G Upper / 10 Wide / Neo Left + Metal Weight Core / Magne Flat Base with Dragoon V2's blue tip
- Eight Spiker / Ten Wide / Neo Left SG / Storm Grip or Grip Base
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Terrible Lord base combos
Players proposed Lord-base builds meant to be deliberately weak, such as Lord Pegasus on a Blow driver for maximum scraping and low weight, while a side exchange concluded that the Ashura layer only performs well with a Dash driver and needs Retsu's heavier side matched to Judgement's strong side; none of these claims were backed by battle results.
Argued, never settled
- Lord Ashura 12Wall Eternal
- Judgement Ashura Retsu
- Lord Pegasus 12wall blow
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Two Combos
Neither proposed build had actually been battle-tested by the poster, and replies argued that Metal Flat outclasses Flat Core for smash while disagreeing over whether Circle Upper or the heavier Samurai Upper gives better left-spin defense.
Argued, never settled
- Circle Upper / Circle Heavy / Grip Sharp Core (Defense)
- Advance Attacker (Smash) / Circle Heavy / Flat Core (Smash Attack)
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Union Achilles 0 vortex xceed retsu testing
Round testing found Union Achilles on Vortex/Xceed'/Retsu attacking hard and slowing opposing spin, edging Master Diabolos Generate in a left-spin matchup and trading closely with Super Hyperion Xtend+ in Power Mode, but its aggression left it prone to bursting and it was expected to struggle against defense types; suggested upgrades using Blitz and Goku, or swapping to a Bump or Cross disc, were not yet tested.
- Union Achilles 0 vortex xceed retsu
- Super Hyperion Xtend 1a
- Master Diabolos Generate
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Valtryek + Variable Testing & Discussion
Formal ten-round testing had Valtryek Knuckle Variable winning about 70% against Wyvern Heavy Revolve, 60% against Dark Deathscyther Spread Defense, and an even 50% against Odin Heavy Defense, results the testers themselves argued were promising but not strong enough to justify banning Dark Deathscyther, while other bladers reported the build self-bursting more often on Hasbro parts and worried the fit loosens with repeated use.
Argued, never settled
- Valtryek Knuckle Variable
- Wyvern Heavy Revolve
- Dark Deathscyther Spread Defense
- Odin Heavy Defense
- Valtryek Heavy Variable
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Wall vs Lift vs Ratchet for Bearing combos
Based on personal testing, posters concluded Wall gives the best precession for Bearing combos in opposite spin overall, outclassing Turn and Lift, while Ratchet works better than Wall in left spin specifically and can outspin most opposite-spin Bearing combos on the Spriggan line despite reportedly performing far worse than Wall in same-spin matches.
- L.Br
- C.Xt+
- B3.00W.Br
- hS.Rt.Br
- Ratchet.Bearing
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ARE MY COMBOS GOOD?
AURADRAGOON ZX posted a long list of real and custom-part combos including Sieg Xcalibur, Winning Valkyrie and Cho-Z Spriggan for feedback, and the few detailed replies disagreed over whether Fafnir spin-steals better with the Nothing driver or Atomic, without settling the question.
Argued, never settled
- SIEG XCALIBUR .1H.Vl
- WINNING VALKYRIE .0T.X'
- BLOODY LONGINUS .0S.Jt'
- ARCHER HERCULES .10C.At/Et
- Z ACHILLES .0M.X'
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Forge disk 10 vs 0
Spin-time testing comparing metal chip 7 and metal chip 10 in the same driver configuration found chip 10 averaging a few seconds longer spin time than chip 7, though chip 7 was more consistent while chip 10 occasionally spiked higher, leaving the practical gap between the two disks fairly small.
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Hasbro Wyvron W2 Testing
Wyvron W2's Gravity Defense and Armed Survive setups lost the large majority of their rounds against Unicrest, Valtryek V2 and Roktavor, for a 23 percent overall win rate, which the tester called disappointing for a well-liked colourway. A later Armed Massive build then won close to half its rounds against Unicrest and Valtryek V2, read by the same tester as a real improvement, though another poster's own experience with a similar armed setup did not match the earlier poor results at all.
Argued, never settled
- Wyvron W2 Gravity Defense
- Unicrest Gravity Defense
- Wyvron W2 Armed Survive
- Valtryek V2 Gravity Zephyr
- Wyvron W2 Armed Zephyr
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Hyperion Burn Testing and Disscusion
The one completed head-to-head came out lopsided: World Helios2 on Zone'+Z swept Diabolos Burn on Cho Jolt' every round, mostly by simply outspinning it. Several other requested match-ups against Rage Longinus, Tempest Lucifer and World Spriggan were posted as requests but never followed up with results.
- Diabolos Burn Cho Jolt'
- World Helios2 Wheel Zone'+Z
- Hyperion Burn cho xtend plus vs rage longuis 3a bearing
- Hyperion Burn Ou Xc' vs Tempest Lucifer Xt+ 2B
- Lucifer II Burn Ou Xtreme' VS World Spriggan Outer Bearing 1D
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Imperial Layer Base Testing Thread
Imperial on Sting Keep' beat Judgement Ashura and Zwei Diaboros comfortably and tied Perfect Phoenix, though it took noticeably more recoil from Zwei than from Judgement. A second tester found the Dragon chip gave a tighter, steadier fit than Valkyrie or Ashura and held up against Perfect Phoenix and Lord Spriggan without bursting, but a stamina-mode Xtend+ build of Lord Spriggan still ran it over completely, and one poster concluded dash drivers are needed to get real results out of Imperial.
- Imperial Valkyrie Sting Keep' vs Judgement Ashura Blitz Xtreme' Metsu
- Imperial Valkyrie Sting Keep' vs Perfect Phoenix 00Cross Atomic
- Imperial Valkyrie Sting Keep' vs Zwei Diaboros 00Reach Quick'
- Imperial Dragon.St.Ds'
- Imperial Valkyrie Sting Keep' vs Lord Spriggan(LEFT) 00Cross Xtend+(Stamina)
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Orojya Gargole AD145WD testing
A stamina build built around Orojya Gargole's maximum outward weight distribution lost its early test to a Genbull combination and then lost 15 of 20 rounds to Phantom Cygnus 85MF, while other posters argued Killerken would deliver more outward weight distribution, stamina and defense for the same concept, and one commenter questioned whether differing launch strength between the two testers made the results reliable.
Argued, never settled
- Orojya Gargole AD145WD
- Orojya Gargole AD124WD
- Genbull^2 B
- Phantom Cygnus 85MF
- Orojya Gargole SA165MF
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This a wicked combo that you will need for a good combonation type
Reviewers criticized the proposed mix of Driger V2's disc, Dranzer V2's base, and either Cyber Dragoon or Driger G's ring for pairing attack rings with very different properties, and pointed out the poster never gave a spin direction, launch style, stadium type, or any test result, so nobody could judge whether the build actually performs.
- Driger V2 weight disk / Dranzer V2 beybase / Cyber Dragoon or Driger G attack ring
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TyrannoRoar (Roar Tyranno) Testing and Discussion
Multiple solo testers recorded widely different win rates for Roar Tyranno against WizardRod and CobaltDragoon depending on the bit used, generally finding Low Flat or Rush the most consistent attacking choice and Hexa better for surviving hits than for landing them, and testers disagreed over whether the blade is best used as an attacker or reworked as a defense piece.
Argued, never settled
- TyrannoRoar 7-60LR
- WizardRod 3-60B
- CobaltDragoon 5-60E
- TyrannoRoar 7-60H
- TyrannoRoar 7-60R
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What's the best combo for KnightMail?
Bladers offered varied KnightMail builds without settling on one: 7-60 Level was reported as a reliable long-term choice, others preferred an imbalanced 1-60 ratchet with the high-stamina LR bit or a Rush bit, and one tester found the heavier 6-80 pairing didn't gain enough weight over the standard 7-height ratchets to be worth using.
Argued, never settled
- KnightMail 7-70 Hexa
- KnightMail 7-60 Level
- KnightMail 6-80 Level
- KnightMail 1-60 LR
- KnightMail 5-60 or 9-60 Ball
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Z Achilles Testing and Discussion (Limited)
Testing found Z Achilles losing most rounds to Twin Nemesis on Octa but beating Arc Bahamut on Revolve decisively, and losing again to Deep Chaos on Revolve, which fed into a wider disagreement over whether Z Achilles should be allowed in Limited format at all regardless of its individual match-up results, with some comparing its strength to Sieg Xcalibur and others wanting every Cho-Z-era layer banned outright.
Argued, never settled
- Z Achilles 7Expand Ultimate Reboot'
- Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa
- Z Achilles 1'Expand Ultimate Reboot'
- Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Cross Revolve
- Deep Chaos 7Cross Revolve
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[HMS] Revised HMS Competitive Combo Tier List
A rebuilt ranking placed Samurai Upper, Circle Upper and Advance Attacker at the top for right-spin attack builds, with Jiraiya Blade and Metal Upper following and considered close enough in strength that follow-up testing couldn't cleanly separate them from Slash Upper either. Eternal Survivor was kept on the list as a serviceable if inferior stand-in for CWD Free Defenser, and the author admitted the ranking rests partly on impression rather than settled proof, given how little of HMS's history was ever documented with real numbers.
Argued, never settled
- Samurai Upper + CWD Defense Ring/Circle Wide + Grip Flat Core
- Circle Upper + CWD Reverse Defenser/God Ring + Bearing Core 2
- Advance Attacker + CWD Free Defense Ring/Grip Flat Core
- Jiraiya Blade + CWD Free Defense Ring/Circle Heavy
- Metal Upper + CWD Free Defense Ring/Circle Wide
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A couple of Defense Combos
SaMaster14 shared two defence builds using Earth Leone and Rock Aries, and the replies converged on WB as currently the strongest defensive bottom over D and WD, since SD and WD trade grip for lower friction and suit stamina better than defence.
- Earth Leone with WB
- Rock Aries with D
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Beyblade Burst "True" Stock Combos.
This is a speculative, opinion-driven exercise in which bladers proposed what they felt the stock combination for various Beyblades should have been rather than what actually performs best competitively, covering ideas like Guardian Kerbeus with 8 and Guard, and Dread Bahamut with 0Expand Friction. No testing was offered and participants disagreed with each other's picks purely on taste, so no shared conclusion about performance was reached.
Argued, never settled
- Guardian Kerbeus 8 Guard
- Dread Bahamut 0Expand Friction
- Orb Egis 0 Star Orbit
- Twin Nemesis Under
- Hazard Kerbeus Bump
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Beyblade Burst Competitive Hasbro Tier List (for layers)
A community-built tier list ranking Hasbro's turbo and switch-strike layers drew disagreement over specific placements, including whether Fafnir belonged in S tier rather than A and whether Luinor or Orichalcum deserved higher spots, with broader agreement that B3 and SrS3 keep a slight stamina and burst-resistance edge over F3.
Argued, never settled
- lS3.0W.Br
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Charge Performance Tip Testing and Discussion
Testers found the Charge driver strong in same-spin attack matchups, letting Cho-Z Achilles and Cho-Z Spriggan take most rounds against stamina-mode Xtend+ opponents, with a Level Chip pushing the win rate even higher against Archer Hercules and Hell Salamander. Results against Perfect Phoenix came out close to even, and comparisons to Accel' and Zephyr were requested but never carried out in what's shown here.
- Cho-Z Achilles Sting Charge
- Cho-Z Spriggan Sting Charge
- Archer Hercules Outer Xtend+ (Stamina Mode)
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Stamina Mode)
- Hell Salamander 10Bump Xtend+ (Stamina Mode)
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Hades H3 Testing and Discussion
Initial testing found a smash-attack Hades H3 build shut out by Garuda every round, while a defensive build on Bearing won three of five rounds against the same opponent. A later poster called that same Garuda combination and Hades H3 itself weak, while another claimed a Hades H3 Bearing build was undefeated against every Hasbro Beyblade they tried it on, leaving the layer's real strength unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- H3.00t.At-S (battle ring mode)
- Hades H3 00Turn Bearing
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Inferno Ifrit Testing
Recorded matches showed Inferno Ifrit performing strongly on Gravity Revolve and Accel against weaker-stamina Defense opponents, winning as much as ninety-five percent of rounds in one set, but several testers reported it disappointing as a Burst Attack setup on Armed Claw, barely edging out a worn opponent and rarely dealing meaningful burst damage against stronger Burst Defense builds.
Argued, never settled
- Inferno Ifrit Gravity Revolve
- Inferno Ifrit Bearing Accel
- Inferno Ifrit Armed Claw
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let's talk combos
Iterative deck feedback for a tournament build refined Vanish Bahamut into Over Zone'+Z, swapped a proposed Nexus+S for Giga to reduce scraping, and outlined its matchup spread as strong against right-spin stamina, right-spin attack and left-spin drift types but weak to left-spin attack types like Guilty Longinus and pure left-spin stamina builds, while also noting that a suggested Vanish Fafnir addition was invalid since the same part can't be used twice in one deck.
- Vanish Bahamut Over Zone'+Z-6
- Dynamite+F Belial Over Rise-0
- Guilty Longinus Giga Xtreme'-10
- Vanish Fafnir Wheel Bearing'-2
- Dynamite+F Perseus Over Rise-6
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MF-H Duo (stamina mode) Horogium SP230MF
Testing found this anti-attack Duo Horogium SP230MF stall build beating an attacking Flash Sagittario II CH145R2F setup 13 rounds to 7 by staying low and drawing knockouts and outspins, but losing 13 rounds to 7 against top-tier stamina rival Phantom W145WD, matching other testers' experience that SP230's uneven, non-aerodynamic shape makes it weak for stamina even though it can work narrowly as an anti-attack tool.
- MF-H Duo Horogium SP230MF
- MF-H Flash Sagittario II CH145R2F
- Phantom W145WD
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My MFB upper attack combo
A Wolf105F build was reported beating Dark Wolf and Storm Pegasus, but other testers argued the result said more about launch technique and stadium type than the combination itself, and the consensus was that genuine upper attackers barely exist among this era's parts, with Smash Attack, as seen on Libra, dominating the role instead.
Argued, never settled
- Wolf105F
- Dark WolfDF145FS
- Storm Pegasus105RF
- Storm 100RF
- Quetz 90RF
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Two New Infinity Combos! Attack and Defense
For the proposed Venusian Defender and Ape Fist builds, replies suggested concrete upgrades, adding an HMC core to the defense build and swapping Mountain Hammer for Strike Turtle with a wider weight disc on the attack build, and the poster agreed to try the changes rather than defending the original parts.
- Infinity: Ape Fist (Mountain Hammer / 8-Heavy / Right Spin Gear / Storm Grip Base)
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Valtryek V2 Testing & Discussion.
Ten-round testing found Valtryek V2 on Heavy Zephyr taking 70-80% of rounds against Wyvern and Deathscyther but losing every round to Dark Deathscyther, with follow-up Hasbro Roktavor R2 matchups swinging from a clear Valtryek win to a close contest depending on launch style, and a Heavy Variable version performing worse overall against Unicrest and Blaze Ragnaruk.
Argued, never settled
- Valtryek V2 Heavy Zephyr
- Wyvern Gravity Defense
- Deathscyther Gravity Revolve
- Dark Deathscyther Gravity Orbit
- Roktavor R2 Gravity Revolve
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Your Beyblade Combos and Stadium Test Results
Logged win/loss test sets against Wolborg MS came out close (5-3-2 and 4-5-1) for two Circle Upper/Grip Flat Core builds, with Wolborg MS doing far better in an attack-oriented stadium than a survival-oriented one; a later poster found stock Round Shell MS beating Wolborg MS consistently in either spin direction, concluding the attack ring mattered little against a strong Bearing Core.
- Custom 1: Circle Upper (Dark Effigy MS AR) + Grip Flat Core Ultimate Version
- Custom 1: Circle Upper (Dark Effigy AR) + Grip Flat Core Ultimate Version
- Turtle Crusher + CWD Defense + Metal Change core
- Circle Upper + CWD Defense + Metal Change
- Bearing Core + Circle Wide + Advance Eterner's AR
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AD145 Testing
Daegor42 ran head-to-head and solo-spin tests of the AD145 track against DF145 and plain 145 on Flame Bull and Flame Sag, and AD145 held its own or slightly edged out the expected favourites in several matchups, a result Daegor42 called surprising and left open for other testers to confirm.
Argued, never settled
- Flame Bull AD145SD
- Flame Bull DF145SD
- Flame Bull AD145WD
- Flame Bull 145WD
- Flame Sag DF145SD
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Any recommendations for Impact drake combos?
Responders offered several ways to work around ImpactDrake's negative stamina and heavy recoil: 7-70 with Level was said to keep it grounded and upright while supporting its weak endgame stamina, a 4-55 needle build was called an effective but fragile knockout tool, and 1-60 or 3-60 Rush was said to become steadier once the rubber wore in. No single build was agreed as best, and testers disagreed over whether wearing the rubber down actually helps or just changes the failure mode.
Argued, never settled
- ImpactDrake 7-60LR
- ImpactDrake 4-55 under Needle
- ImpactDrake 7-70 Level
- ImpactDrake 4-60
- ImpactDrake 1-60 or 3-60 Rush
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Beyblade Burst: Attack Customizations vs. Kerbeus Heavy Defense Testing
Repeated head-to-head testing found Kerbeus Heavy Defense beating Beyblade Burst's earliest attack customizations by wide margins in most sets, losing only once when a Valkyrie Spread Accel build achieved a 60% win rate, with Ragnaruk Heavy Accel judged the most effective of the early attack builds against it.
- Valkyrie Wing Accel
- Valkyrie Spread Accel
- Valkyrie Heavy Accel
- Kerbeus Heavy Defense
- Ragnaruk Wing Accel
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Bull Wheel Testing/Discussion
Multiple testers found the Bull wheel weak as an attacker: it lost 17 of 20 rounds to MF Earth Bull, and separately managed only a single win in 20 rounds against a top-tier defence combo. Posters speculated the loss came down to weight distribution or the size of its contact points but could not confirm the cause.
- MF Earth Bull C145WB
- Bull 90RF
- Bull CH120RF
- Bull T125RF
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Flash vs Diablo
Match experience and small tests found Flash and Diablo closely matched attack types overall: Flash hit harder and beat defence builds more reliably, while Diablo carried more stamina and defensive backup, and the final assessment in the exchange called the direct matchup essentially a coin toss that comes down to driver choice and play style.
Argued, never settled
- Flash GB RF
- Diablo BD RF
- Flash TH RF
- Diablo TH RF
- Diablo/Flash Pegasus II 90 R2F
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Lord Spriggan Attack Testing/Discussion
Round-by-round testing recorded a combined 100% win rate across 20 rounds for a Stamina-Charge Lord Spriggan attack setup against two different Phoenix-line rivals, losing only a few rounds to self-bursts; suggested follow-up match-ups in left-spin and against a Charge-tipped opponent were proposed but never tested, and an aside clarified Lord Spriggan is a distinct, newer release from the older Legend Spriggan that shares the same abbreviation.
- LS.St.Ch (Right, Second, Banked)
- LS.St.Ch (Left, Second, Banked)
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Making a custom tourtament post ur combos ends in 3 hours!
A call for combination entries to a fan-run video tournament collected submissions such as odax o2 magnum xtreme, but no testing, battle results or reasoning about their strength ever appeared.
- odax o2 magnum xtreme
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more than okay combo
Two homemade combinations, Gryffoleon on 10 Balance with Galman and Dranzer S on 10 Balance with Metal Draciel, were judged weak by experienced posters, who noted that the two builds tying with each other repeatedly only proved they were equally bad rather than that either was competitive.
- Gryffoleon 10 Balance Galman
- Dranzer S 10 Balance Metal Draciel
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My attempt at a defence combo
A defence build using the Advanced Balancer ring got an alternative suggestion of Jiraiya's blade with Circle Wide to move away from a cookie-cutter setup, though several members still maintained Circle Upper or Samurai Upper would outperform either choice.
Argued, never settled
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what is your favorite non-competitive combo to use?
Several fans listed builds they enjoy for looks or fun rather than for tournaments, with one noting that a supposedly non-competitive Master Spryzen 1 Glaive on Hasbro's XCEED+X-SP still beat Union Achilles and Judgement Joker in their stock setups. Beyond that single result the exchange stayed a list of personal favourites with no shared conclusion.
- Nightmare Longinus, High Charge' with the wall frame
- Judgement Achilles Blitz Operate' Go
- Infinite Solomon 2b Planet
- Hollow Hyper 2 with metal chip, wheel and Destroy'
- Master Spryzen 1 Glaive HASBRO'S XCEED+X-SP
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Wizard fafnir testing and discussion
Testers worked out that Wizard Fafnir's spin-steal only reliably triggers from a slow or weak launch against an opposite-spin opponent, since the layer needs to sit flat and lose relative spin gradually rather than being hit hard; one tester couldn't reproduce a specific viral result at first, while a later slow launch against Glide Lucifer succeeded most of the time, but no one confirmed the effect holds with every driver.
Argued, never settled
- Wizard Fafnir Ratchet Rise
- Slash Valkyrie Blitz Cycle
- Wizard (rbv 17) Fafnir (booster) Wheel Mobius Gen
- Glide Lucifer 2S Bearing
- Wizard Fafnir 10S.Ab Sen
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Wonder Valtryek V4 Testing and Discussion
Weighed at 9.68 grams, Wonder Valtryek V4 on Bearing lost the large majority of its recorded rounds against Caynox C3 and both spin directions of Spryzen Requiem S3, and a Vortex Hunter attack setup lost heavily to Jormuntor J2 while only tying against Jinnius J3. Posters concluded the layer was outclassed by other Evolution-series options and unlikely to stay relevant once newer Switchstrike layers arrived.
- Wonder Valtryek V4 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Revolve
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (right spin) 7 Bearing
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (left spin) 7 Bearing
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Any good combos with these parts?
SavatoEX asked for viable combinations using a small set of HMS parts, and other players recommended running Wolborg MS or Death Gargoyl MS uncustomized, or building from Circle Upper, Circle Wide and Bearing Core, adding that Takara Tomy stadiums performed noticeably better than the Hasbro ones being used.
- Wolborg MS
- Death Gargoyl MS (survival mode)
- Circle Upper / Circle Wide / Bearing Core
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Archer hercules combo
One blader reported Hercules with the 7Expand disc and Eternal-S driver gave decent stamina for a quick-attack build, though he initially misnamed the driver and had to correct himself after others pressed for clarification; a separate suggestion that the aH-on-Hy pairing could work as a tornado staller was called underwhelming by the one person who tried it, who preferred czS instead.
Argued, never settled
- Hercules 7Expand Eternal-S
- aH.Hy (aH on Hy)
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Astral Combo
Bladers speculated over whether the not-yet-released Wide Ball bottom would beat the D bottom at 100 track height, and whether D125 leaned more toward endurance, but reached no conclusion since Wide Ball had not shipped yet; a long solo spin time was reported for entertainment, though another blader pointed out that a solo spin record proves little on its own.
Argued, never settled
- Black Pegasis/Libra 100D
- Libra 100D
- Libra D125
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Combos :D
A poster shared ten homemade builds mixing Galeon, Zeus, Gabriel, Master Dranzer and Draciel parts and invited others to try them, and the conversation turned largely on a dispute over whether Zeus's own engine-gear base can legally take a Heavy Metal Core in place of its stock core, which was never fully settled.
Argued, never settled
- Galeon AR / 6-Balance WD / Metal Driger Black MG Core SG / Zeus BB
- Gabriel AR / MG Weight Disk WD / MG Core SG / Dragoon V2 SP/BB
- Master Dranzer AR / 6-Balance WD / MG Core SG / Dranzer V BB
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combos a guy made
Feedback on a set of endurance, attack and defense builds recommended switching the defense combination's bottom to Draciel S, replacing the attack combination's attack ring with Triple Wing (Trygle) and Ten Wide, and using Ten Wide rather than Ten Heavy on the survival build, refining the original parts choices rather than rejecting them outright.
- Flash Leopard 10 Wide Galzzly
- Master Draciel 10 Wide Draciel S or Seaborg
- Tiger Defense Ten Heavy Bearing Core (Left) Dranzer V2/Voltaic Ape Burning Kerberous
- Flash Leopard Ten Heavy Right MG Galzzy
- Master Draciel Ten Heavy Draciel F
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Countering Top-Tier Combos : A Must!
Contributors compiled specific Hasbro-legal counters for each top-tier type, such as Flash Orion on GB145/R2F against stamina builds, Meteo L-Drago on TR145/EWD against defense, and Diablo Kerbecs on BD145/RF against attackers, while others argued the whole exercise was largely redundant since top-tier customs already counter one another and questioned whether restricting the list to Hasbro-only parts served much purpose.
Argued, never settled
- MF Flash Orion GB145 R2F
- MF Meteo L-Drago TR145 EWD
- MF Diablo Kerbecs BD145 RF
- MF Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS
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HMS Endurance Combo
Looking for a survival build that skips Bearing Core, posters weighed Metal Sharp Core as a workable but not outstanding substitute, with some worried Circle Upper loses balance too easily on it, and suggested Circle Wide or CWD Defense Ring paired with Bearing Core 2 as steadier alternatives. The group never agreed on whether avoiding Bearing Core made sense outside of tournaments where it is banned, with one poster insisting there is no reason not to use the strongest available part.
Argued, never settled
- Circle Upper / Circle Balance / Metal Sharp Core
- Advance Balancer / Circle Wide / Metal Sharp Core
- Circle Upper / Circle Wide / Bearing Core 2
- Circle Upper / CWD Defense Ring / Metal Sharp Core
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Imperfect Phoenix Testing & Discussion
Simultaneous-launch testing showed the layer losing clearly to Shining Amaterios and Alter Chronos on matching Outer Orbit builds, doing a little better against Twin Nemesis, and swinging back and forth against Twin Nemesis and Sieg Xcalibur once the driver and disc were changed to Atomic. The tester's overall read was that the layer sits at a fair, non-dominant power level rather than being overpowered, with its light 17-gram weight limiting its stamina but working decently on a Destroy-based driver.
- Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Alter Chronos.Outer.Orbit
- Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Orbit (upper mode)
- Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Shining Amaterios.Outer.Orbit
- Imperfect Phoenix.00Cross.Universe vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Assault'
- Imperfect Phoenix.00Cross.Atomic vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Assault'
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Kerbeus K4 Testing and Discussion
Stamina testing found Kerbeus K4 roughly even with Balkesh B3 and with right-spin Spryzen Requiem S3, but clearly behind Caynox C3 and Garuda G3, and its burst-attack numbers on a Hunter setup fell well short of the same setup on Xcalius X3. The tester concluded K4's real potential lies in stamina and defense rather than attack.
- K4 7 Bearing
- K4 7 Atomic
- K4 00Bump Hunter
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LAD combo for Lord Spriggan?
Suggestions for a spin-steal, stay-alive Lord Spriggan build included swapping to a Wall and Bearing pairing, since Wall keeps Bearing upright while equalizing spin and Bearing itself has strong spin-alive qualities, though the combinations the requester had already tried (00 Cross with Atomic or Eternal) hadn't worked and the conversation drifted into an unrelated rules debate about hand-spinning before any setup was confirmed to succeed.
Argued, never settled
- Lord Spriggan 00 Cross Atomic
- 0/00Wall/Blitz/Ratchet.Bearing
- 00Cross/Outer.Xtend+
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My Favourite Limited Format Combos
A rotation of favourite Limited-Format builds spanning attack, defence, stamina and balance roles led to a follow-up debate over whether Bakushin's chassis suits Leone-family wheels or Aquario better, settling on Leone for its matching sloped shape even though Aquario was argued to work as well.
Argued, never settled
- MF Bull(PHW) 100R2F
- MFH Virgo(PHW) GB145CS
- Earth Leone(1) SW145RS
- MFF Scythe Sagittario(2) B:D
- Virgo(PHW) B:D
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Non-Dash drivers for Competitive 5G Deck
Players ranking non-Dash drivers for a competitive deck agreed Xtreme and Quick belong near the top despite Quick's fragile rubber, but split over the rest of the lineup, with some still defending Wheel paired with Xtend+ as viable and others calling it obsolete, while Hybrid was described as a niche pick that only pays off for players comfortable with it.
Argued, never settled
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Operate Performance Tip Testing and Discussion
Operate proved to be a strong same-spin knock-out and burst attacker, taking a clear majority of rounds from Hell Salamander in most Cho-Z Achilles builds and even doing well against opposite-spin Cho-Z Spriggan, with removing the frame producing especially violent bursts against Archer Hercules. The tester's overall read was that Operate favours Cho-Z Achilles or Cho-Z Valkyrie against right-spin foes and Cho-Z Spriggan against left-spin ones, while struggling against an Atomic build that tornado-stalls, and another poster added that its attack edges wear down and lose effectiveness the more the layer is used.
- Hell Salamander 00Bump Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) vs Cho-Z Achilles 4Proof Operate (Attack Mode, Unbalanced)
- Hell Salamander 00Bump Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) vs Cho-Z Achilles 4Proof Operate (Attack Mode, Balanced)
- Hell Salamander 00Bump Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) vs Cho-Z Achilles 00Bump Operate (Attack Mode, Balanced)
- Hell Salamander 00Bump Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) vs (Left Spin) Cho-Z Spriggan 00Bump Operate (Attack Mode, Balanced)
- Archer Hercules Outer Xtend+ (Stamina Mode) vs Cho-Z Achilles 00Bump Operate (Attack Mode, Balanced)
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random hms combo
Preparing for a tournament with only a DEMS and a borrowed Einstein MS, the blader received several suggested alternatives, including a Grip Flat Core / CWD Defense Ring / Metal Ape build, a Metal Spring / Circle Heavy / Metal Change core build, and a modified Samurai Changer CWD with the upper ramps facing down plus Samurai Upper for weight, though one reply flatly claimed the event couldn't be won at all without owning a Wolborg MS, a far harsher take than the detailed alternatives implied.
Argued, never settled
- Grip Flat Core (Dragoon MS) CWD Defense Ring (Sea Dragon) Metal Ape AR (Magical Ape MS)
- Metal Spring Circle Heavy Metal Change core
- Samurai Changer's CWD (upper ramps down) Samurai Upper AR
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What can you say about this combo??
Reviewers judged the original PP.7G.Xt+ and HS.0C.Xt+ builds underpowered for the current Cho-Z-era meta and recommended alternates such as PP.00C.Xt+, Cho-Z Spriggan on 0W Bearing and Orb Egis on 7G Atomic, though one commenter warned against using Orb Egis at all against Judgment-layer opponents while another asked whether a different Orb Egis driver pairing would hold up better.
Argued, never settled
- PP.7G.Xt+
- HS.0C.Xt+
- PP.00C.Xt+
- Cho-Z Spriggan 0W Br
- oE 7G At
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Attack type
One reply held that the Destroy driver gives Cho-Z Valtryek the best mix of stamina and attack on Hasbro parts and that a heavier disc helps stamina further, but most of the exchange became a disagreement over whether mixing Takara Tomy drivers onto Hasbro layers wears down the teeth and slopes faster or is simply a manufacturing flaw specific to Hasbro's Pro Series line.
Argued, never settled
- Cho-Z Valtryek Zenith-P Destroy'
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Best Defence combo for me?
For an all-Hasbro defense build, Kerbeus K2 with the Gravity disc and Press driver was repeatedly recommended for maximum defense, with Armed suggested in place of Press, Revolve or Unite for a build trading some defense for stamina; Roktavor R2 Gravity Press and Unicrest Gravity Press were offered as alternatives, and posters noted Hasbro had not yet released the stronger Orbit or Atomic drivers that would otherwise be the better defensive pick.
- Kerbeus K2 Gravity Revolve
- Kerbeus K2 Gravity Press
- Kerbeus K2 Armed Press/Revolve/Unite
- Valtryek Gravity Press/Survive
- Roktavor R2 Gravity Press
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Big 3 combo testing
The original poster set out to test three combos built from Kaiser Kerbeus, Dark Doomzcisor and Valtryek, but the exchange settled into part-substitution advice rather than reported battle results: Press was called weaker than Orbit, Atomic or Defense, and Armed was swapped for Gravity on the Valtryek build. No side-by-side win rates were ever posted for any of the three combos.
Argued, never settled
- Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Press
- Dark Doomzcisor Spread Revolve
- Valtryek Armed Zephyr
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Bushin Ashindra A5 Testing and Discussion
Bushin Ashindra A5 lost every round of its stamina tests against Caynox and Garuda and only drew even with Balkesh, landing it roughly on par with the best defense-type layer for stamina but well behind dedicated stamina builds; a later head-to-head on Survive drivers confirmed this, with Turbo Spryzen S4 sweeping A5 completely. Against attack-type opponents its results were mixed and inconclusive, doing reasonably against Valtryek but poorly against Xcalius, leading one tester to call it a weak choice overall.
- Bushin Ashindra A5 0.At
- Caynox C3
- Balkesh B3
- Garuda G3
- Spryzen Requiem S3 0.At
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combo
A blader claimed Earth Cancer CH120SF FS as a solid balance-type build able to beat stamina and attack builds alike, but other posters rejected the claim for lack of any recorded test results and warned it would be shut down unless real testing was provided.
Argued, never settled
- Earth Cancer CH120SF FS
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Dark Wolf testing
Repeated matchups logged Dark Wolf beating Storm Pegasus roughly 65% of the time across several driver variants, but other members strongly disputed the result, arguing it reflected the tester's inexperience launching the RF driver rather than any real strength in Dark Wolf, and a follow-up test by another member had Storm Pegasus knocking Dark Wolf out almost every round instead.
Argued, never settled
- Dark Wolf DF145FS
- Dark Wolf DF145SF
- Dark Wolf 125FS
- Storm Pegasus 100RF
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ED145 testing
Twenty-round testing of an ED145 defence build under Libra against Quetzalcoatl and Storm Pegasis attackers found it losing decisively both times, with the tester concluding its free-spinning gimmick absorbs hits less effectively than C145 and gives less defensive mileage than hoped against the era's leading attackers.
- MF Libra ED145WB
- Quetzalcoatl 90RF
- Storm Pegasis 100RF
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god valkyrie customizations
Suggestions for modifying God Valkyrie beyond its stock Sting disc and Power driver clustered around an 0Vortex disc with either Destroy' or Ultimate Reboot' drivers, with posters agreeing Strike God Valkyrie's extreme recoil makes it worse without an apostrophe driver, though no one reported actual test results for any of the proposed builds.
Argued, never settled
- God Valkyrie 0Vortex Destroy'
- God Valkyrie 0Vortex Ultimate Reboot'
- Strike God Valkyrie (no apostrophe driver)
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Great Endurance Combo!
Built around the Auto Change Base, this setup was found to spin for well over two minutes solo thanks to the balance weight disc and Tiger Defenser's attack ring, making it a strong all-purpose stamina build despite its light overall weight. A second tester confirmed it held up consistently against bistool and Wolborg-based rivals, though both agreed its main weaknesses were free-spinning shafts and an early hit from a hard attacker.
- Tiger Defenser / 10-Balance / Auto Change Base
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Greatest Raphael Testing
Head-to-head testing between matching Over Bearing' builds on Greatest Raphael against Dynamite Perseus and against Vanish Fafnir was run with parts swapped partway through to control for equipment differences, though which side won more rounds is not reported in what's shown here. The conversation drifted into a separate, unresolved argument over whether Prominence counts as a stationary attack type given its stamina and knockout ability.
Argued, never settled
- Dynamite Perseus Over Bearing' -0 (F gear)
- Greatest Raphael Over Bearing'
- Vanish Fafnir Over Bearing' -0
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High Drivers Testing and Discussion
No one brought forward actual battle counts for the taller drivers; posters traded impressions instead, guessing that High Blow and similar drivers destabilize too easily and lose stamina fast, that High Jaggy might hold up better than High Blow, and that pairing a driver like Turn or switching to something like High Loop could ease the wobble. A moderator closed it for lacking real test results, to be reopened once someone had some.
Argued, never settled
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MF-L Gravity Perseus(Stamina) 85RF
Extensive testing on an anti-attack Gravity Perseus (Stamina) 85RF build found roughly 9-to-1 win ratios by knockout against both Vulcan Lightning and Lightning L-Drago and about 19-to-1 against Screw Attack, with testers agreeing the low 85 track and Gravity's dual-spin overhang let it survive and punish attackers reliably in opposite-spin match-ups, and one follow-up noting it can also spin-steal well against 145-height defenders.
- MF-L Gravity Perseus(Stamina) 85RF
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My BeyBlade Customization
A Wing Attacker build meant to spin longer rather than attack drew years of replies calling its attack ring's ability useless and its balance and endurance poor, even as the original poster kept maintaining his own testing showed it spinning longer and recovering from wobbles against opponents.
Argued, never settled
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Octa Performance Tip Testing and Discussion
Hell Salamander on Octa's defense mode beat both left-spin Spryzen Requiem and Luinor decisively, but the tester credited Luinor's light, unbalanced build rather than Octa itself for the lopsided win and noted the driver's lift frame scraped the stadium floor. A later reply suggested simply pairing Octa with the heaviest available parts and wearing the driver in through use, without posting new numbers.
- Hell Salamander 0G Ds (defense mode)
- Spryzen Requiem S3 7F Oc (left)
- Luinor L3 Oc
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plastic Gen 1 Dragoon combo
Building a left-spin plastic attack deck around mainline Dragoon parts, posters converged on Dragoon GT or G's attack ring with Ten Wide and a Wolborg 2-based bottom, preferring Voltaic Ape's support part over Dranzer V2's, while agreeing the build is essentially hopeless against Wolborg 4's blade base and that true stationary attack isn't achievable in Plastics since flat rubber tips need speed and momentum to knock anything out.
Argued, never settled
- Kid/Master Dragoon AR 10Wide Dragoon S BB
- Dragoon GT/G/S AR Ten Wide Left Shells Wolborg 2 BB Voltaic Ape SP Dragoon V2 BB
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Plastic OHKO Left-Spin Combo
Small-scale testing against a Zombie-style stamina build (Tiger Defenser / Wide Survivor / Customize Grip Base) had this left-spin Transforming Hayate build take most rounds by knockout, and the builder reported roughly an 80% win rate against weight-reliant defense types, while flagging the combination as almost certainly illegal for tournament play and still needing testing against Hidden Spirits and EG-system Beyblades.
- Transforming Hayate AR / 10 Wide WD / Neo Left SG / Magne-Flat Base BB / Magne-Flat tip (Dragoon V2)
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R145 Testing
Comparative testing found R145 giving MF Earth Bull a near-even record against Quetzalcoatl (11 wins to 9) but performing worse for Libra and Earth Bull than GB145 or C145 against Lightning L Drago, with testers noting R145 sometimes absorbs hits well but at other times shows dangerous recoil or drags on the stadium floor when tilted.
- Quetzalcoatl 90RF vs MF Earth Bull (1st mold) R145WB
- MF Lightning L Drago 90RF vs MF Libra R145WB/GB145WB/C145WB
- MF Lightning L Drago 90RF vs MF Earth Bull R145WB/GB145WB/C145WB
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Salamander S4 Testing and Discussion
Weighed at 10.65 grams, Salamander S4 lost heavily to Balkesh B3, Caynox C3 and the recorded part of the Fafnir F3 match-up in both attack and defense modes on Bearing, with defense mode only slightly better. A follow-up argument split posters over whether it was fair to test an older SlingShock-era layer against newer Switchstrike parts at all, or whether cross-generation comparison was still the right way to judge current usefulness.
Argued, never settled
- Salamander S4 (Attack Mode) 7 Bearing
- Salamander S4 (Defense Mode) 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Fafnir F3 7 Bearing
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Smash Attack Combo
A proposed smash-attack build pairing a round-tipped bottom with a wide-defence track was called self-defeating since those pieces work against each other, and members instead pointed to Triple Wing as arguably the strongest attack ring for the role, though no complete replacement combo was agreed on.
Argued, never settled
- Triple Wing (Trygle), Fin Tector (Draciel V2)
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Stamina Blade UPDATED TIME RESULTS
Solo spin-time trials showed a noticeably longer average spin time after switching from a Dark to a Storm metal wheel, which the tester took as evidence Storm's rounder shape could work for stamina, but experienced members pushed back firmly, saying Storm remains an attack-oriented part clearly outclassed by dedicated stamina wheels.
Argued, never settled
- Storm Pegasis combo (Dark metal wheel)
- Storm Pegasis combo (Storm metal wheel)
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Wave Testing and Discussion
Early tests found the Wave driver splitting close with Atomic depending on which layer carried it, and later testers reported Wave' holding its own against strong Bearing-based stamina builds and even edging out Dynamite Belial in some rounds, prompting several testers to argue the driver is underrated relative to Bearing rather than clearly settled either way.
Argued, never settled
- Brave Lucifer Wave 2A (6 Bladed Mode)
- Perfect Phoenix Wheel Atomic
- Perfect Phoenix Wheel Wave
- Brave Lucifer Atomic 2A
- Tempest Hyperion II MCC Xtend+ (Stamina) 2A
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Air Knight K4 Testing and Discussion (Rail Rush Stadium)
In stamina trials Knight K4 lost every round to Balkesh and Caynox on Bearing and to Garuda on Atomic, but its Bump Hunter attack setup burst through a Bearing-based Caynox nine times out of ten, and it edged out a left-spin Spryzen Requiem in a same-attack test. One tester's initial conclusion that Knight is weak overall was pushed back on by another who showed it winning 80% of rounds on a different core-and-driver setup, leaving whether Knight is genuinely competitive unresolved.
Argued, never settled
- Knight K4 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Knight K4 7 Atomic
- Garuda G3 7 Atomic
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Are my combos that I used at a tournament any good?
Responders judged both tournament combinations solid as posted, while suggesting Astral over Giga and swapping Rise for a wider, free-spinning plate like Bearing or Tapered to reduce stamina loss from knockback; the owner used the builds as-is and placed fourth at the event.
- Dynamite Belial+F Giga Drift-10
- Vanish Longinus Tapered Rise-6
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Attack type vs Attack type customs
Head-to-head testing found Spriggan Heavy Accel narrowly beat Valkyrie Heavy Accel, but swapping Valkyrie to Wing or Spread discs made the matchup far more one-sided in Spriggan's favour, leading the tester to conclude Heavy remained the better disc for Valkyrie despite hoping a lighter, more mobile disc could out-stamina or out-burst it; a separate report found Spriggan Central Accel resisted bursting well against Reviser-type opponents.
- Valkyrie Heavy Accel
- Spriggan Heavy Accel
- Valkyrie Wing Accel
- Valkyrie Spread Accel
- Spriggan Central Accel
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Basalt Horogium Customization for attack
A poster speculated that Basalt's heavy, irregular weight distribution could make it a strong attacker, but other members rejected the claim as unsupported and closed it for lack of proper win-rate testing before Basalt Horogium 145WD was even widely available.
Argued, never settled
- Basalt Horogium 90RF
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BB-46 Balance Stadium Combo Testing Thread
Set up as a hub for tests restricted to the BB-46 Balance stadium, bladers reported Thermal Giraffe 105HF performing better than expected as a staller against defense-type opponents, and posted lopsided win rates (roughly 75-90%) for Flash Orion, Balro and Bahamdia against Reviser and Killerken defense builds; one participant noted the format felt attack-starved early on, since almost no one was bringing attack types to tournaments held on this stadium.
- Thermal Giraffe 105HF
- Flash Orion W145LRF
- Reviser Reviser BD145CS
- Balro Balro CH120LRF
- Bahamdia Bahamdia W145LRF
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Best Combos for Hasbro's Perfect Phoenix
For a Hasbro Perfect Phoenix build, posters suggested upgrading the stock disc to D66 and trying Ab-S, Eternal-S or Bearing drivers, with Yard-S eventually recommended as the strongest same-spin option in Limited (ahead of Atomic there, though equal in opposite spin); posters split on Zeta, some calling it decent in stamina mode and others dismissing it, and one noted Imperfect Phoenix may actually out-defend Perfect Phoenix on Hasbro parts even though Turbo Spryzen was said to outclass all of them.
Argued, never settled
- Perfect Phoenix D66 TD11-S
- Perfect Phoenix D66 Eternal-S
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic
- Perfect Phoenix 00Expand/00Cross Yard-S
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Forneus F4 Testing and Discussion
Multiple rounds of testing found Forneus F4 close to even with Spryzen Requiem S3 on several driver setups but consistently outspun by Caynox C3. Posters disagreed on the Yard-S driver's spring quality, with one calling their copy's spring terrible and another reporting a great spring on theirs.
Argued, never settled
- Forneus F4 0Bump Atomic
- Forneus F4 7 Bearing
- Forneus F4 0Bump Orbit
- Forneus F4 0Bump [BR]Yard-S
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good combos for the Hasbro version for Union Achilles
For the Hasbro Union Achilles, recommended pairings included Blitz or Charge for attack, Vanguard or Bullet for calmer burst resistance, and 00 or Trick for a stamina-leaning build, giving the asker several viable directions depending on which older drivers and discs he already owned.
- Union Achilles Blitz (Pro Series)
- Union Achilles Charge (Ace/Rock/Glyph Dragon)
- Union Achilles Vanguard (Venom Devolos)
- Union Achilles Bullet (Venom Devolos)
- Union Achilles 00 (Judgement Joker)
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hms and plastic combo
Testing a Wyvern DJ's Metal Sharp HMS build and a right-spin MG-core plastic base against a Driger S compact, the builder reported the plastic combo winning every match, while responders characterized the HMS combo as a decent endurance-leaning design whose Advance Balancer attack ring contributes real spin-stealing capability despite looking unremarkable on paper, and cautioned that raw part stats don't predict real performance.
- Wyvern DJ's Metal Sharp
- MG core (right spin)
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HMS Defence combo again
Set up for a TB stadium and launched left-spin to better resist circle and Samurai Upper attackers, this build's free-spinning CWDs were meant to keep it out of endurance mode until switched deliberately, letting the owner fall back on an attack mode if tricked into facing a stamina build. Others found real appeal in the idea but flagged that the Samurai base could hit the floor once tipped and that the tornado ridge might flip its mode unexpectedly, so the owner planned further testing before committing to it for a tournament.
Argued, never settled
- Samurai Upper / 17gCWD God Ring / Battle Change Core / CWD Free Survivor
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Knight K4 Testing and Discussion
The original tester found Knight K4 shut out in stamina matchups against Balkesh B3 and Caynox C3, roughly even with left-spin Spryzen Requiem S3, but matching Xcalius X3's burst-attack numbers exactly on the same Hunter setup, calling it weak overall but promising for attack. Another poster disputed the testing method itself as too formulaic and, using a different Air Knight K4 setup, reported an 80% win rate in an opposite-spin matchup the original method would not have captured.
Argued, never settled
- Knight K4 7 Bearing
- Knight K4 00 Bump Hunter
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Knockout on Gen Testing and Discussion
Head-to-head Atomic mirror matches showed Knockout losing outright to Deep Chaos on stamina but sweeping Drain Fafnir and an Ashura-family rival once recoil came into play, leading the tester to rate it as below-average on pure stamina but decent on recoil. A follow-up attack comparison found Knockout beating rivals more consistently than Bloody Longinus in the same match-ups, prompting some to debate whether it deserved a place in the Limited format at all.
- dC.00C.At (MGC/MAC) VS KO.00C.At
- dF.00C.At (MAC) VS KO.00C.At
- aB.00.Kp' VS KO.00C.At
- KO.00T.Vl' VS gF.0W.Ω
- bL.00T.Vl' VS gF.0W.Ω
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Lost Longinus Testing & Discussion
Lost Longinus underperformed against Drain Fafnir on both drivers tried, winning only 25% on Quick' and 40% on Hunter', well behind a same-spin Bloody Longinus benchmark that tied at 50%, and it managed only a 10% win rate against Galaxy Zeus. The tester concluded it is not completely useless but falls short of Bloody Longinus, Nightmare Longinus, Myth Dragon2 or Twin Nemesis and would not be their pick over those layers for Limited-format play.
- Lost Longinus 10Reach Quick' vs Drain Fafnir 00Wall Drift
- Lost Longinus Ωuter Hunter' vs Drain Fafnir 00Wall Drift
- LC Bloody Longinus Ωuter Hunter' vs Drain Fafnir 00Wall Drift
- Myth Dragon2 5Cross Xtreme vs Galaxy Zeus 00Wall Drift
- Lost Longinus Ωuter Hunter' vs Galaxy Zeus 00Wall Drift
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Stamina/Defense Combo. Thoughts?
Members largely dismissed the proposed build, saying the chosen wheel is weak at both stamina and defence and recommending a different wheel as a better base, while the B:D track was judged decent for stamina but only middling for defence, and a suggested alternative pairing was called ineffective at either role.
- Jade Jupiter Bearing Drive Metal Face Light
- Phantom Cygnus B:D
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which cheap zombie combo is better
Two budget spin-stealer builds were put up for comparison, but replies argued neither one actually qualifies as a Zombie combination since that category requires a Wide Survivor or at least a Wide Defense weight disk and neither build uses one, so the original question of which was better was never resolved.
Argued, never settled
- AR: Tiger Defencer, WD: 10 Balance, SG: Burning Kerberous, SP: Voltaic Ape, BB: Burning Kerberous
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Zero-G Sway Attack: SA165 vs. E230 vs. SP230
Round-robin sway tests against a benchmark Diablo Kerbecs TH170 WB found SA165, E230 and SP230 performing similarly, with E230 in upper mode edging ahead at a 45 percent win rate against the benchmark while SP230 trailed at 35 percent, suggesting little practical difference in sway ability between the three tracks.
- MSF-L Goreim Wyvang SA165 Zero-G Attack
- MSF-L Goreim Wyvang E230 Lower
- MSF-L Goreim Wyvang E230 Upper
- MSF-L Goreim Wyvang SP230 GCF
- MF-H Diablo Kerbecs TH170 WB
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A combo I used to use alot
Neku2 deliberately paired the unpopular Dranzer S attack ring with a Flash Leopard II base as an experiment in salvaging poorly rated pieces, and other bladers agreed both parts are generally considered weak without suggesting any way to strengthen the build.
- Dranzer S AR / 10 Heavy WD / Flash Leopard II SG+BB
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Amaterios A3 Testing and Discussion
Amaterios A3 lost every same-and-opposite-spin stamina matchup tested against Caynox, Balkesh, Garuda and Spryzen Requiem, and its knockout-attack test against Xcalius also went heavily to the opponent, leading testers to conclude the layer is outclassed in both stamina and attack among the Hasbro line, with its light weight cited as a likely reason a metal-armed version would fare better.
- Amaterios A3 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Amaterios A3 7 Atomic
- Garuda G3 7 Atomic
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Are these combos any good?
Testers agreed Soar Phoenix suits the narrower 3-60 ratchet better than 5-60, since its three-bladed layer lines up with the ratchet's points for steadier weight and fewer interrupted attacks, with a further suggestion to try Level on 3-60 or 5-80 instead of Taper; Chain Incendio was separately praised as a strong stock combination on its own.
- Soar Phoenix 5-60 Taper
- Soar Phoenix 3-60 Flat
- Soar Phoenix 3-60 Level
- Soar Phoenix 5-80 Level
- Chain Incendio 5-60 High Taper
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Build me an Attack Type Combo
Posters agreed that Ultimate on the Perseus core with a Nexus+S disk and Xtreme' driver is the strongest right-spin attack setup for that blade and chip, while flagging that the Perseus core wears down quickly when used with a Dash-type driver.
- Ultimate Perseus Nexus+S Xtreme'-9
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Buster Xcalibur Testing Thread
The one reported result showed Buster Xcalibur on 7M Xtreme' losing badly, 1 win to 8, against a left-spin opposite-driver combination, and a commenter concluded that unless its Buster and Normal modes can each be reliably locked in during a match, it has no place in a metagame dominated by spin-equalizing left-spin stamina and defense hybrids. Several other requested matchups were still awaiting testing at the point this excerpt ends.
- Buster Xcalibur 7M Xtreme'
- Buster Xcalibur 1' Dagger Destroy/Destroy'
- Buster Xcalibur 00T Xtreme'
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Cho-Z Valkyrie vs Cho-Z Achilles
A head-to-head run found Cho-Z Achilles bursting Archer Hercules far more often than Cho-Z Valkyrie did, put down to Cho-Z Achilles' small, recessed wings exposing more of its recoil points than Cho-Z Valkyrie's larger ones. A frame was deliberately left off both builds because the heavy weight was hard on launchers, and a request to retest with Zenith or in opposite-spin matchups, to rule out the shared disc favouring one side, went unanswered.
Argued, never settled
- Cho-Z Valkyrie 8 Destroy
- Cho-Z Achilles 8 Destroy
- Archer Hercules Outer Eternal
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Cosmo Testing & Discussion pt. 2
Testing of the banned Cosmo layer against Nightmare Longinus on Flow and Evolution produced inconsistent win rates between posts, roughly 60-66% for Cosmo versus 70-75% for Nightmare Longinus, while a side argument broke out over whether the Flow disc is actually good for stability, with opinions split and reference material called into question; neither the combo's strength nor Cosmo's case for being unbanned was settled.
Argued, never settled
- Cosmo Diabolos.0Wall.Bearing
- Nightmare Longinus.Flow.Evolution
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Fun Balance/Gimmick Type Customization
A mode-switching balance build pairing Wing Cross, 10 Balance and an Auto Change base drew a preference for Wing Cross over Tiger Defense for its tighter fit against the disk, while other bladers suggested a compact-type Semi-Flat Base build would likely beat it, though nobody tested that matchup directly.
Argued, never settled
- Wing Cross / 10 Balance / Auto Change Base
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hello guys.... is which driver have more stamina?
In a welcome thread, bladers traded favourite combinations rather than testing anything, though a couple of specific claims were dropped in passing, such as Nightmare Longinus Variable being able to beat a GT-generation Beyblade and Ratchet on Bearing outspinning almost any Layer/00W/Br build in opposite spin.
- Zwei Bahamut 10 Glaive Octa
- Erase Diabolos Blitz Dimension
- Nightmare Longinus Variable
- X4 1' Jolt
- Hazard Kerbeus Boost Atomic
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is this a decent combo?
Reviewers called the original Poison Spriggan/Around/Atomic' GT defense build decent but suggested swapping the Around disc for Wheel and trying Tact instead of Poison, while one commenter said the build was fine as it stood and another flagged that Atomic' is outclassed in the current LAD meta.
Argued, never settled
- Poison Spriggan, Around, Atomic', with the Zan weight
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L Drago Spin Steal Combos
A catalogue of left-spin spin-stealing setups opened with Meteo LDrago CH120XF, valued for balancing contact and stamina while cutting recoil, and Meteo L Drago 100WD, chosen for contact plus the WD tip's grip on stolen spin, but other bladers argued a dedicated catalogue was unnecessary since opposite-spin equalizing with left-spin wheels was already common knowledge.
Argued, never settled
- MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF
- Meteo L Drago 100WD
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My beyblade combos
Of the four attack and defence builds posted, the Trygle-based smash attacker nicknamed Nymph was called decent, but most of the chosen bases were judged not very useful, with Draciel S suggested in place of one and Galman paired with a heavy weight disk offered as a stronger defence alternative.
- Nymph
- Phantom Driger
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my combo
A survival-type build using Tiger Defenser, 10 Wide and a Customize Bearing Base was called pretty decent, with suggestions to switch to Left SGs and add Wide Survivor to turn it into a passable fake-zombie build, while an alternate combination swapping in Right Neo SG, Heavy Metal Core and SG Semi-Flat was deemed worth trying though inferior to SG Metal Change Base or Metal Ball Base for that role.
- Tiger Defenser 10 Wide Neo Right SG (Double Bearing) Cross Survival Customize Bearing Base
- Tiger Defenser Ten Heavy Right Neo SG Heavy Metal Core SG Semi-Flat
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Spiral Treptune T4 Testing and Discussion
Spiral Treptune T4 lost nearly every recorded round against Caynox C3, Balkesh B3, Garuda G3 and both spin directions of Spryzen Requiem S3, and other owners of related Treptune versions agreed it performed poorly regardless of driver, treating it as a genuinely weak layer rather than one needing a better setup.
- Spiral Treptune T4 7 Bearing
- Spiral Treptune T4 7 Atomic
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Garuda G3 7 Atomic
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Xtend-S Testing and Discussion
Round-robin testing on Unicrest 7Cross found Xtend-S trading close to even with most Same Spin drivers but losing clearly to Bearing and to a sliding-shot Destroy, while beating a stationary Destroy-S convincingly; separately, testers reported Xtend-S underperforming on Dragoon Fighter and falling short of Bearing in Opposite Spin despite its supposed edge over Revolve.
- Unicrest 7Cross Atomic
- Unicrest 7Cross Xtend-S (Battle Ring Mode)
- Unicrest 7Cross Bearing
- Unicrest 7Cross Destroy
- Unicrest 7Cross Destroy-S (Battle Ring Mode)
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attack combo
A Trygle-based smash attack build claimed to take down three blades at once drew mixed verdicts: repliers agreed its SG Flat base was a weak link that Storm Grip or Metal Flat 2 combined with 10 Wide or Wide Defense would notably improve, but disagreed on the overall build itself, with one calling it merely mediocre and another calling it outright terrible.
Argued, never settled
- Trygle AR + 10 Side Weight Disk + Metal Dranzer Core + Metal Dranzer Blade Base
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Attack Type Combos
Suggestions included Sieg Xcalibur with the Unite driver and using 0 or 00 discs on Lord rather than 7 or 10/00 since its burst-stopper gimmick works better with the smaller discs; for the Limited format, several destabilizer builds for Bloody Longinus were proposed, but no single combination was settled on and the original poster was ultimately pointed to a separate combo-building topic for more help.
Argued, never settled
- Sieg Xcalibur Unite
- Lord Spryzen/Spriggan 7C
- Lord Spryzen/Spriggan 0
- Lord Spryzen/Spriggan 00
- Bloody Longinus Six Cross Zephyr
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Bound attack / defense beyblade combos
Posters worked out that Hazard Kerbeus's bound gimmick shows up most clearly on stable drivers like Defense, Revolve, Gyro, Press and Needle, since more mobile drivers such as Orbit or Atomic get knocked around too easily to judge the effect fairly. Suggested alternatives to the Bite driver, including Keep, Quest and a worn Unite', were floated without the group settling on a single best choice.
Argued, never settled
- Hazard Kerbeus 10 Bump βite
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build me a competitive tournament combo
Repliers suggested Astral Spriggan on Zone'+Z for spin-steal, weight and defense against right-spin types, and Guilty Longinus Karma Evolution' for KO attack against left types that could outspin it; a separate Infinite Sword build using the Lucifer chip with a 2B chassis and Volcanic' driver was said to underperform against most things despite one reported 8-2 record against a specific left-spin rival.
Argued, never settled
- Astral Spriggan (Left Spin, Low Mode) Over Disc Zone'+Z
- Guilty Longinus Karma Evolution'
- Infinite (Sword) Lucifer Chip 2B Volcanic'-0
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CF Vs. GCF (Zero-G Sway Attack)
Testing Diablo Kerbecs against a very stable Revizer Saramanda defence combo, both CF and GCF frames struggled badly to move or destabilize it, winning only 0-10% of rounds. A later comparison using a different attacker and defender pair found GF outperformed CF and GCF for sway attack overall, though it was reported as harder to launch without self-knocking-out.
Argued, never settled
- Diablo Kerbecs E230 (Normal Mode) GCF
- Diablo Kerbecs E230 (Boost Mode) GCF
- Diablo Kerbecs E230 (Normal Mode) CF
- Diablo Kerbecs E230 (Boost Mode) CF
- MSF Revizer Saramanda 160 SB
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Charge' - (partially) Awakened - Testing and Discussion
Testers found that a worn-down Charge' driver became a viable spin-equalizing tip capable of tying or beating top opposite-spin drivers like Drift, with one poster logging a 75% win rate for a World Helios2 build against Xtend+; a legality question ran alongside the results, since wear that exposes the driver's internal hole was argued to make it an illegal part despite its strong performance, and Knockout was separately found to pair well with Charge' where Hollow was only assumed to be stronger but never directly compared.
Argued, never settled
- World Helios2 1S Wheel Charge'
- Rage Helios2 3A Charge'
- Master Spriggan Wheel Xtend+
- Brave Hyperion2 2A Xtend+ (6BM)
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Defense Attack Combo
Bladers trying to build something both defensive and offensive settled on Upper Dragoon paired with Wide Defense and a metal-ball bottom as the closest fit, while agreeing that Beyblades generally can't hold both roles at once and re-labelling the result as survival-leaning attack rather than true defence-attack.
- Upper Dragoon / Wide Defense / Neo-Right SG / Heavy Metal Core / SG Metal Ball Base
- Upper Dragoon / Wide Defense / Bearing Ver. 2 / SG Bearing Base
- Upper Dragoon / 8 Heavy / Basic Right SG / SG Sharp Base
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Drain Fafnir Paradox Mobius: Testing and Discussion
Testing found Drain Fafnir Paradox Mobius winning the large majority of rounds against right-spin opponents like Brave Valkyrie, but losing most rounds to the left-spin Rage Longinus through repeated over and burst finishes. It also won most rounds against Perfect Genesis, and a request to test it against Storm Pegasus and a Geist Fafnir variant was raised but left without a reported outcome.
- Drain Fafnir Paradox Mobius
- Brave Valkyrie Evolution' 2A (3-blade mode)
- Rage Longinus Destroy' 3A
- Perfect Genesis 00Under Ultimate Reboot
- Storm Pegasus Blitz Assault'
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Hasbro Wyvron Testing
Wyvron on Gravity Survive lost badly to Unicrest, Valtryek V2 and Spryzen S2, with only a single close win over an armed-defense Valtryek build, for an overall 30 percent win rate. The tester named Unicrest the standout stamina and defense choice for the Hasbro line at the time, while other posters debated whether Hasbro's Revolve tip was genuinely weaker than Takara Tomy's or simply undertested.
Argued, never settled
- Wyvron Gravity Survive
- Unicrest Heavy Defense
- Valtryek V2 Knuckle Zypher
- Valtryek Armed Defense
- Spryzen S2 Limited Accel
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Hunter-S Testing and Discussion
Comparing the same Xcalius X3 attack build on Hunter versus Hunter-S across five opponents, the tester found Hunter the more reliable driver overall by a combined 28 wins to 21, since Hunter-S often missed its target and wasted stamina despite its larger contact diameter. A later poster countered that Hunter-S actually performs better paired with bigger, heavier layers than the ones used in the original test.
Argued, never settled
- X3.7M.Hn
- X3.7M.Hn-S
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Is there any combo to maximize the power of ImpactDrake?
Posters disagreed over which ratchet best maximizes ImpactDrake's attack, with some arguing a taller ratchet like 7-60 only slows the blade down while others favoured extra weight for harder hits; one poster cited a tournament placement using a shorter 3-60 Rush build as a point in favour of lighter and faster, but no single setup was agreed on.
Argued, never settled
- ImpactDrake 7-70 Rush
- ImpactDrake 7-60 Level Accel Gear Flat
- ImpactDrake 3-60 Rush
- ImpactDrake 4-60/5-60 Rush/Low Rush/Level/Taper
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Maximum Garuda Combos
Bladers favoured the Orbit or Atomic drivers under Maximum Garuda for stability and burst resistance, with Star reported as a small stamina gain over Glaive and a lower-blade Bump variant offered as a defence-leaning option, but no single build was settled on as the strongest.
Argued, never settled
- Garuda G3 7Glaive Needle
- Maximum Garuda 4glave Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 7Glave Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 5Glaive Yielding
- Maximum Garuda 0Bump Orbit
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Seaborg combo
In response to a Hasbro-stadium smash-attack build, members suggested it would work better in right spin than left, noted the older Seaborg 1 attack ring has stronger left-spin smash than Seaborg 2's, and floated swapping in a plain support gear or an Upper Dragon-style ring instead, without settling on one final version.
- Seaborg 2 AR, 10 Wide, Left SG, Dragoon Storm Base
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The worst combo ever.............
The self-described worst build, pairing Master Driger's ring with a heavy Ten Heavy disc and Dragoon G's base, spun only forty seconds on a flat surface; other members pointed out the individual parts weren't bad on their own but the assembly was simply too heavy, and one noted that a flat-surface spin time isn't a meaningful way to judge a Beyblade anyway.
- Master Driger AR / Ten Heavy WD / Heavy Metal Core G / Dragoon G BB
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Thoughts on my self made Hasbro combo
Reviewers judged Turbo Spryzen's original Wall driver mediocre and recommended switching to an Expand disc with a stronger driver such as Rise-H, Spiro-H, or Bullet-H to compete with Lord Spriggan in standard events, though the group disagreed among themselves over whether Spiro-H actually matches or beats Rise-H for longevity.
Argued, never settled
- Turbo Sprizzen double 0 wall th08
- Turbo Spryzen 00Expand Rise-H/Sprio-H/Bullet-H
- Lord Spriggan Xtend+
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What do you think is the best combo for SharkEdge?
Bladers converged on a 5-60 or 3-60 ratchet with a Rush, Flat, Taper or Low Flat bit as the strongest builds for SharkEdge (Keel Shark on Hasbro), favouring Rush for control and Flat for knockouts and speed, but opinions still varied on the single best bit, with one later reply preferring 3-60LR instead.
Argued, never settled
- SharkEdge 5-60 T,F,R, or LF
- Keel Shark 5-60/3-60 Rush/Low Flat/Flat
- Keel Shark 3-60T
- SharkEdge 3-60LR
- Scythe Incendio 9-60/5-60/3-60/3-80 Ball/Needle
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what is a good combo for variant lucifer (chasis only)
Builders paired the Variant Lucifer chassis with the 2D driver on World- and Mirage-based layers, and one tester reported 2D works well on Mirage and World for opposite-spin stamina setups and pairs well with high-LAD drivers. Another poster disputed using Mirage at all, arguing it is too narrow to make real contact and that World is the stronger base because it allows dual-spin play.
Argued, never settled
- World Spriggan.2D.Mobius
- Mirage Longinus.2D.Rise/Mobius/Xtend+
- World Spriggan/Diabolos Drift/Mobius/Xtend+/Bearing/Rise/Zone'+Z 2D
- Mirage Diabolos Atomic 2D
- Curse Lucifer Bearing 2D
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Yard-S Testing and Discussion
Same and Opposite Spin testing on Unicrest 7Cross showed Yard-S sweeping several drivers outright, including a stationary Destroy-S and a sliding-shot Defense-S, while losing badly to a sliding-shot Destroy and to Flugel; one tester likened its behaviour to a cross between Defense and Orbit, calmer to launch hard because its free-spinning ball carries less self-knockout risk.
- Unicrest 7Cross Yard-S (Battle Ring Mode)
- Unicrest 7Cross Atomic
- Unicrest 7Cross Defense-S (Battle Ring Mode)
- Unicrest 7Cross Destroy-S (Battle Ring Mode)
- Unicrest 7Cross Eternal-S (Battle Ring Mode)
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Competitive Mirage Fafnir combo?
Testing reported this build beating Cosmo Valkyrie about 90% of the time and Cho-Z Valkyrie about 85%, but several members maintained that the Mirage ring itself is no longer viable now that its successor Vanish offers stronger stamina and defense, leaving unresolved whether the results reflected real strength in Mirage or just the specific opponents chosen.
Argued, never settled
- Mirage Longinus Vl' 2S
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Diabolos Chip/Layer Weight Testing and Discussion
Testing found the Diabolos chip's weight gave Dread Diabolos and Zwei Diabolos lopsided wins on Sting Atomic against most opponents tried, including a full sweep against Hell Salamander's defence-mode build, though results were closer against stamina-mode Xtend+ setups and against another Zwei Diabolos on a scraping Yielding driver. Commenters concluded the chip's weight alone could justify picking it up even though Diabolos itself has weak teeth.
- Dread Diabolos Sting Atomic
- Hell Salamander Sting Atomic
- Hell Salamander Outer Xtend+ (Stamina Mode)
- Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing
- Wizard Fafnir Sting Atomic Ten
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Dimeonsion-S Vs Zeta-S
A claimed comparison between the Dimension-S and Zeta-S drivers was rejected by other bladers for using a stadium not legal for tournament play and for never naming the exact combination tested, so no usable result came out of it.
Argued, never settled
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HMS Spring Core Combo
Built from spare parts, this wobbling survival setup was found to recover well after hits despite its height, but only with the first mould of Circle Upper; the second mould threw off its balance entirely. The builder preferred Circle Heavy over CWD Defense Ring for letting the layer tilt down and land a stronger hit on contact, though another tester later reported CWD Free Saucer worked even better, and at least one other poster considered Spring Core an inferior choice next to other core discs altogether.
Argued, never settled
- Circle Upper (1st Mould) / Spring Core
- Circle Upper / Circle Heavy / Spring Core
- Circle Upper / CWD Free Saucer / Spring Core
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Kerbeus K4 Testing and Discussion (Rail Rush Stadium)
In the Rail Rush Stadium, Kerbeus K4 on a Bearing driver won eight of ten rounds against a tall-attack-mode Cho-Z Achilles on Dimension, which the tester credited to K4's very stable slopes and high stamina/defense.
- Kerbeus K4 0 Cross Bearing
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make me a combo useing Dragoon MS
Asked for more stamina and defense from Dragoon MS while keeping its Metal Attacker attack ring unchanged, repliers explained that the attack ring fixes the overall type, so swapping only the weight disc or bottom keeps it an attack build regardless, and that Dragoon MS as stock is close to the best build possible unless the attack ring itself is replaced.
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My Balance Combo.
A proposed balance-type build using Dranzer V2's clutch base kept getting told it would still function as upper attack unless a Neo Left spin gear were added, and the exchange ended without anyone confirming the change produced a genuine balance type.
Argued, never settled
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Prime Apocalypse A5 Testing and Discussion
Short repeated battle sets pitted Prime Apocalypse on Blitz-H and Trick-H against a stock Venom Develos, with one session narrowly favouring Venom Develos and another narrowly favouring Prime Apocalypse, so no stable win rate was established. A later question about testing Apocalypse's stock setup instead was raised but never answered with numbers.
Argued, never settled
- Prime Apocalypse Blitz-H Trick-H
- Venom Develos (stock)
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SW145 Testing Thread: Tier List Worthy?
Solo spin-time and head-to-head trials found SW145 in Defense mode beating both W145 and AD145 handily, while its Attack mode variant matched AD145's win rate and ran close against W145, leading several members to say a part usually written off deserved reconsideration for competitive stamina use.
- Earth Cancer SW145 (Defense) WD
- Earth Cancer SW145 (Attack) WD
- Earth Cancer AD145 WD
- Earth Cancer W145 WD
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TT Perfect Phoenix combo
Replies converged on Perfect Phoenix built with the 0 disc and Atomic driver as the standard stock-style setup, with Outer Volcanic named as the current top-performing variant. One tester who tried the Yell driver instead reported it worked surprisingly well by pushing more centripetal force into the layer, but noted it lacks the raw stamina and left-and-away defense of the 0, 00 Cross and Outer options.
- Perfect Phoenix 0 Atomic
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Volcanic
- Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+
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Ultimate Reboot' Testing and Discussion
A short test found Victory Valkyrie on triple Ultimate Reboot' sweeping Inferno Ifrit's Quick' driver in Burst Classic play, and another tester noted the driver suits heavier layers like Apocalypse and Chouzetsu Achilles or Valkyrie when paired with a low-drag disc; a more experienced tester pushed back that three rounds is too small a sample to draw conclusions from and asked for the standard ten.
Argued, never settled
- Victory Valkyrie triple Ultimate Reboot'
- Inferno Ifrit boost Quick'
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[LTD] Libra vs Earth vs Bakushin vs Scythe: A Limited Format Defense Wheel Comparison
Testing comparing four Limited-format defensive Metal Wheels found Libra winning roughly 75-90% of rounds against low attackers like Lightning L-Drago and Omega Horuseus, with Earth Leone performing well against the same opponents by a narrower margin; a commenter argued more testing was still needed against mid-height attackers, since Bakushin's sloped top was expected to fare differently there than against low attackers, leaving the picture across all attacker heights incomplete.
Argued, never settled
- Libra 85RSF
- Earth Leone 85RSF
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1st Gen Sword Launcher vs Master LR String
YishYash timed Lord Spriggan Vanguard Bearing on both a first-generation Sword Launcher and an LR String and found the LR String produced faster average spin times, but replies disagreed on whether that edge matters against Sparking-style launchers in real matches, and no agreement was reached.
Argued, never settled
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A HS Spin Equilization combo (without Rise-H)
lilphilyb tested a Hypersphere spin-equalization build pairing Spryzen Requiem with the Power-H driver and Outer disc against Turbo Spryzen on Wall and Bearing, recording a 70 percent win rate, while other posters noted the single-copy setup measured driver performance rather than layer performance.
- Sr3(right spin).Ou.Pw-H vs. tS4(left spin).0W.Br
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Alter Chronos .8C.Ds Testing
Testing found Alter Chronos with the 8 disc, Cross frame and Destroy driver beating right-spin stamina builds on Deathscyther in most matchups (strongest against Knuckle and Gravity Revolve, closer against Spread Revolve) and dominating left-spin stamina and balance opponents like Drain Fafnir and a balance-type combination. Replies praised Cross's frame properties over Glaive for this kind of destabilizer build, and one poster asked to see the combination tested against then-current top stamina picks, but that follow-up test was not reported.
- Alter Chronos 8C Destroy
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Another Combo
Gotruto posted several combos built around Driger S, Tiger Defence and Driger G, and other bladers judged the engine-gear build ineffective while recommending a right-spin storm grip with heavy metal core instead, and warned that a heavily worn Tiger Defence base makes the Roller Mariner combo unfit for tournament use.
- Driger S AR / MG WD / Neo-Right MW SG / Dranzer V2 BB+SP
- Tiger Defence AR / 10-Heavy WD / Semi-Flat BB (Roller Mariner)
- Driger G AR / 10-Heavy WD / Dragoon G EG-SG / Dragoon G BB (First Clutch)
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BEYBLADE: Evolution Customizations/Parts Discussion
Players compared favourite Balance-type builds in the BEYBLADE: Evolution video game, rating Thermal Byxis 130MF and Wing Eagle AD145FS highly for blending attack, stamina and defense, and generally agreed the classic attack-beats-stamina-beats-defense-beats-attack triangle held up in the game; one longtime poster cautioned that published in-game and box stats for any part are usually inaccurate since a part's value depends heavily on the specific build and matchup.
Argued, never settled
- Thermal Byxis 130MF
- Wing Eagle AD145FS
- Hades Kerbecs BD145WD
- Twisted Orion SW145MS
- Twisted Jupiter SW145MS
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Burn Eagle TH170 PD TESTING
Testing across three track heights, Burn Eagle held up reasonably well as a stamina/defence build against an attacking Pegasis, performing best at 195 height and outperforming an Earth Cygnus control combo overall. A second poster flagged that the results should have used a full, consistent round count per height rather than combined totals, leaving the precise numbers unconfirmed.
Argued, never settled
- Burn Eagle TH170 PD
- MF-H Pegasis R145 R2F
- Earth Cygnus W145 WD
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Deathscyther Limited Revolve Testing
A Deathscyther Limited Revolve stamina build won 9 of 10 rounds against Dark Deathscyther Knuckle Orbit and reportedly did well against Driger Slash Heavy Xtreme, but other testers pushed back that the results were messy, came from a worn layer, and lacked a comparison against a more standard stamina disc, leaving the build's real strength relative to common stamina setups unproven.
Argued, never settled
- Deathscyther.Limited.Revolve
- Dark Deathscyther.Knuckle.Orbit
- Wyvern Armed.Yielding
- Driger Slash.Heavy.Xtreme
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Defense Beys to Counter Attack Meta Combos
Bladers agreed that true defence builds are weak in the current meta, but found anti-attack setups such as KnightMail, TyrannoBeat and PhoenixWing on Rush, Low Rush, Point or Level drivers hold up well against all-out attackers and the stamina meta alike, while noting that pushing KnightMail's driver too aggressive risks self-knockouts.
- SamuraiSaber/SilverWolf 9-70 Hexa
- TyrannoBeat 9-70 Bound Spike
- KnightMail 0-80H
- KnightMail 7-60H
- KnightMail 7-60P
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dread/perfect Phoenix P4 Testing and Discussion
Across five head-to-head tests, both the dread and perfect cores of Phoenix P4 lost most matchups, destabilizing easily on Bearing and falling well behind an Orbit-based opponent, with only a SlingShock-mode Dimension-S matchup going in its favour; the tester concluded the Layer is outclassed regardless of which core is used.
- dread Phoenix P4 0L Bearing
- perfect Phoenix P4 0C Orbit
- dread Phoenix P4 0C Atomic-S
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Fafnir F4 Testing and Discussion
Same and opposite-spin stamina testing had Fafnir F4 losing almost every matchup tried against Balkesh B3, Fafnir F3, Caynox C3, Garuda G3 and Spryzen Requiem S3, often by wide margins. A separate battle report of a stock Geist Fafnir F4 losing every round to Dread Phoenix drew questions from other posters about how the reported win percentages were even calculated, and one reply argued burst resistance can be improved with a lighter disc or a driver with a stronger spring.
Argued, never settled
- Fafnir F4 Sting Liner-S (Battle Ring Mode)
- Fafnir F4 00Bump Atomic
- Geist Fafnir F4 Stock
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hms defense combo
A poster credited a Metal Ape / God Ring / Aero Core build's wide circular bottom for deflecting and destabilizing opponents and claimed it wins consistently, but another blader disputed the reasoning that the small attack ring boosts spin velocity, arguing the wide disc and RC weight matter far more, and the two never reached agreement.
Argued, never settled
- 3 Mold BP + Metal Ape AR + CWD God Ring + Aero Core RC
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how well will WD145 go in a combo?
Discussion of WD145's usefulness concluded that no one had found a practical application for it since its wings mainly reduce stamina compared with C145 or CH120 for defense, though the track was floated as possibly suiting a still-undeveloped MFB balance type, and D125 was noted to pair well with Libra for a defensive build.
Argued, never settled
- MF Pegasus WD145B
- Libra D125
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Is this combo good?
Opinions split on Flash Striker 145 HF: one blader called it a decent offensive option against weaker opponents, another called Flash outclassed and mediocre, and a third recommended swapping to AD145 or a heavier track with an RF tip to guard against low attackers; no side convinced the others, and L Drago Destructor, Nemesis and Basalt Horogium was offered as a stronger alternative.
Argued, never settled
- Flash Striker (Libra's energy ring) 145 HF
- L drago destructor, Nemesis and Basalt Horogium
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Is this the best combo for a wbba deck format? (Three Beys)
Reviewers of a proposed three-bey wbba deck judged the Destroy driver on Hell Salamander weak, recommending a higher-stamina option like Eternal instead to make the set stronger overall.
- Cho-Z Spriggan 00W Br
- (LC) Pp Outer Xt+
- hS 10E Ds
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Luinor L2 combos
Asked for good Luinor L2 setups, one blader settled on a heavy 2/4 Vortex Xtreme configuration as the best fit for the parts they owned, while others just listed their own spare tips and frames without proposing alternatives.
- L2 2/4 Vortex Xtreme
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My best combos.
Of three named builds, Blizzard Dragoon needed no changes according to the reply, Steel Wolf worked fine with an 8 Wide substituted for a missing 10 Wide, and Stormbringer's Driger V base and Galzzly sub-ring were flagged as the weak points even though the owner kept them for sentimental reasons.
- Blizzard Dragoon
- Steel Wolf
- Stormbringer
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My beyblade combo's.
Initial skepticism that a defence-attack hybrid could ever work was met by the owner reporting Flame Leone 145WD outspinning friends' defence blades and surviving hits from attack blades in his own matches, though other posters noted Rock Bull's recoil problem and suggested a Storm wheel instead, with no outside testing confirming the owner's claimed results.
Argued, never settled
- Flame Leone 145WD
- Rock Bull 145WD
- Rock Bull 100rf
- Dark Bull H145SF
- Storm Pegasus 100 HF
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Please Rate My Custom
Responders rated the original custom around 5/10 and blamed its attack ring, then suggested a DJ Spiker/Circle Wide/Grip Flat Core smash-attack build instead once the requester clarified he only had Wyvern MS-family HMS parts available.
- Dragoon MS RC-based custom (unspecified AR)
- DJ Spiker AR / Circle Wide WD / Grip Flat Core RC (Dragoon MS parts)
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rate my combos
Feedback on two proposed hybrids, an endurance-with-speed combo built around Wolborg 4's attack ring and Master Draciel's bottom, and a smasher/endurance combo pairing Dark Effigy with a Circle Heavy weight disc and HMS Dranzer's bottom, explained that attack and stamina can't both be maximized at once, that Wolborg 4's attack ring itself isn't strong though its bottom has other uses, and recommended a customized Dark Effigy instead since its bottom lets the blade switch between attack and endurance depending on how it's launched.
- Wolborg 4 AR 8 Heavy Right SG Master Draciel BB
- Dark Effigy AR Circle Heavy WD HMS Dranzer BB
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Shadow Orichalcum Testing
A tester reported Shadow Orichalcum winning three of five rounds against Hell Salamander on Bearing, but another participant pointed out that five rounds falls well short of the ten-round minimum needed for a meaningful result, and no larger retest followed.
Argued, never settled
- Shadow Orichalcum 7B At
- H. Salamander 10B Br
- Shadow Orichalcum 0B At
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smash attack plastic combo
A Trygle / Wide Defense / Storm Grip smash-attack build was called nothing new by several posters, who identified it as a basic variant of an existing published customization and suggested swapping in Uriel 2's bottom for more grip, while its builder disputed that assessment and insisted his informal tests beat the published version, a claim others did not accept as conclusive.
Argued, never settled
- Trygle AR Wide Defense Storm Grip base
- Trygle AR Wide Defense Storm Grip base + Uriel 2 BB
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Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion
Testing found the buffed Hasbro release of a Spryzen layer running close with a defensive rival and, once paired with a spring-loaded driver instead of a survival tip, winning a clear majority of rounds as a mixed attacker against a top Cho-Z rival, with a later test showing a lopsided win rate against another opponent; contributors generally agreed the Hasbro version had become genuinely competitive where the original release was not.
- Spryzen S2 Gravity Variable
- Spryzen S2 Heavy Survive
- Spryzen S2 Gravity Accel
- Neptune Yell Revolve
- Blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
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What’s the best ‘Super Satomb” combination currently?
Several bladers proposed different driver and disc pairings for Super Satan/Satomb, including Xceed' on 2A, 00Cross Yard-S with a bump driver, or almost any strong attack driver on 1A or 2A, without converging on a single recommended build.
Argued, never settled
- Super Satan Ds' 1A
- Xceed’+X/Z on 2A
- 00cross yard-s 1’bump iron
- Super Satan Xtreme'/Quick'/Hunter'/Destroy'/Evolution' 2A
- Super Satan Xtreme' 1A
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Xcalius X4 Testing and Discussion
Weighed at 14.64 grams, Xcalius X4 split its stamina rounds evenly with Caynox C3 in Normal Mode but lost more in Breaker Mode, and lost every recorded round to both Balkesh B3 and Garuda G3 regardless of mode. The accompanying KO-attack comparisons led posters to conclude the older Xcalius X3 still hit harder than X4, calling the newer layer's greater imbalance a letdown rather than an improvement.
- Xcalius X4 (Normal Mode) 7 Bearing
- Xcalius X4 (Breaker Mode) 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
- Garuda G3 7 Atomic
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Z Achilles A4 Testing and Discussion
Same Spin matches on Bearing had Z Achilles A4 losing heavily to both Caynox C3 and Spryzen Requiem S3 in every spin direction tried, at times winning as little as one round in twenty, which posters attributed to weak slopes and lighter plastic compared with the metal-boosted evolution Beyblades it faced.
- Z Achilles A4 7 Bearing
- Caynox C3 7 Revolve
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Spryzen Requiem S3 7 Bearing
- Spryzen Requiem S3 0 Bearing
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[Takara Tomy] Goku weight Testing & Discussion
The one completed test found Zwei Bahamut fitted with the Goku weight knocking out Perfect Phoenix's outer stamina build in most rounds when the launch was strong, but most other requested matchups, including pairings with Hell Salamander and Zwei Fafnir, were never actually run.
- Zwei Bahamut 00R Jolt' Goku
- Perfect Phoenix 00Cross Outer Xtend+
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4A chassis testing and discussion
Posters discussed the 4A chassis's attack potential alongside heavy attack discs like Blitz, and compared it to 1S for stamina use, concluding 4A is slightly heavier and has better teeth than 1S, making it arguably the stronger stamina chassis when weight-balanced, while a double chassis like 2A paired with Brave was recommended instead for pure attack. One poster also noted 4A's heavier side can be arranged to counterbalance the asymmetric Lucifer II chip.
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5 (Core Disc) & Guard Testing and Discussion
TrainiacJ's win-rate testing showed the Guard driver losing badly to Atomic-equipped opponents in both knockouts and bursts, and swapping the 5 disc for 4 produced no change in outcome, leading to the conclusion that Guard trails Atomic for both defence and stamina, though a follow-up report suggested Guard can still beat slower attack and stalling builds despite its weak knockout resistance.
Argued, never settled
- Alter Chronos 2Cross Guard
- Legend Spriggan 7Vortex Xtreme
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Guard
- Guardian Kerbeus 4Glaive Atomic
- Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic
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Accel, Assault, Zephyr Comparison Testing
The Supreme One ran win-rate tests of the Accel, Assault and Zephyr drivers against Wyvern and Neptune and found Assault gave up noticeably more stamina than the other two due to its wider flat surface, concluding Accel and Zephyr suit tornado-stalling builds better, though one reader questioned that surface-area explanation using a precedent from the Metal Fight era.
- Kerbeus Spread Accel vs Wyvern Heavy Claw
- Kerbeus Spread Assault vs Wyvern Heavy Claw
- Kerbeus Spread Zephyr vs Wyvern Heavy Claw
- Xcalibur Heavy Accel vs Neptune Heavy Claw
- Xcalibur Heavy Assault vs Neptune Heavy Claw
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Atomic-S Testing & Discussion
Testing Atomic-S against standard Atomic on the same Zeutron Z3 build showed the newer driver resisting bursts noticeably better and staying safer from the stadium's edge, at some cost to raw stamina, which led the tester to treat Atomic-S as more of a burst-defense option than a straight stamina upgrade over Atomic.
- Asteroid Zeutron Z3 10Expand Atomic-S
- Asteroid Zeutron Z3 10Expand Atomic
- Asteroid Zeutron Z3 0Proof Atomic
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Attack Combo
A standard heavy/force/triple layer stack with the Xtreme driver was offered as the strongest Attack setup, with Zephyr or Accel suggested for more stamina and a separate Hold-driver build with Gravity or Spread discs recommended because the layer spins left; despite trying these against several stock and customized opponents, the original poster still found almost nothing that made the weak-stamina layer feel competitive.
Argued, never settled
- Dragoon S.W.X Heavy/Force/Triple + Xtreme
- Dragoon S.W.X Zephyr
- Dragoon S.W.X Accel
- Dragoon S.W.X Hold with Gravity or Spread
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Balance Customizations
A blader asking for a strong attack-and-stamina Balance build using the CS driver eventually got one suggestion months later, Thermal Gasher T125JB, whose height was said to let most attacks land underneath the fusion wheel and knock opponents off balance; the requester's original candidates, Fang, Diablo and Variares, were never directly addressed.
- Thermal Gasher T125JB
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Best Z Achilles Combos (Testing)
The original poster proposed Z Achilles with the 7 disc and Wedge-S driver as an untested balance build, arguing Wedge-S is undervalued and heavy enough to double as an alternative to Octa. Other bladers suggested alternative setups including a stationary-attack pairing with Cross and Atomic or Orbit, but reported problems with their own suggestions: one build self-knocked-out constantly and another was called too finicky, so no combination was confirmed to work well.
Argued, never settled
- Z Achilles 7 Red Wedge-S
- Z Achilles 00U Xtreme Dash
- Z Achilles 7/0 Cross Atomic/Orbit
- Z Achilles 10 Bump Destroy
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Bizzare Combo
A Draciel-based build using a Dragoon tip was reported to hold up against weak test opponents, but other bladers judged the parts second-rate and recommended a stronger attack ring plus a Dragoon V2 tip instead. A second combo's outcome against a Driger build depended entirely on which side launched first, and the overall verdict was that the build was not competitively strong.
- Draciel G / 10 Wide / Neo Right (south core) / Draciel F with Dragoon V tip
- Kid Dragoon / 10 Heavy / Burning Kerberous / Burning Kerberous
- Driger G / 10 Heavy / Neo Right (north core) / Driger S
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Driger ++++ Combo!!
A build combining Triple Tiger, Ten Balance, Neo Right SG and a Customize Change Base, plus two trick-shot launch techniques, was called little better than an existing Dranzer V2 setup by other bladers, who argued the base's swooping-attack purpose is undercut by the Triple Tiger ring, leaving its value disputed.
Argued, never settled
- Triple Tiger / Ten Balance / Neo Right SG / Customize Change Base
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Evolution' Testing and Discussion
Testing found Judgement Diabolos on Evolution' beating Archer Hercules but losing to Zwei Fafnir, and a separate test had Rage Longinus on Evolution' beating a Master Fafnir stamina build. That led to a disagreement over whether Evolution' was simply outclassed by newer drivers or still reasonable for knockout attack when better drivers aren't on hand, which neither side gave up.
Argued, never settled
- Judgement Diabolos Blitz Evolution'
- Archer Hercules 00Cross Keep'
- Zwei Fafnir Wheel Destroy' Zan
- Rage Longinus Evolution' 3A
- Master Fafnir 00G Xtend+ (Stamina)
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Flare (Gen) Testing
Testing found the Gen weight base on Flare beating a defence layer in stamina, resisting bursting even on Atomic, and combining left-spin advantage with enough weight to stand up to attackers, which led the tester to recommend it stay banned as overpowered. A follow-up round of testing months later reached the same conclusion, though the tester noted Flare had not been run through as wide a range of matchups as some other banned parts.
- Flare Achilles Outer Orbit Gen
- Twin Nemesis Outer Orbit
- Flare Achilles Outer Destroy' Gen
- Drain Fafnir Outer Destroy
- Flare Achilles 00Expand Destroy' Gen
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Hammer Combos?
Attempts to make Hell's Hammer competitive ran into its disc scraping the stadium floor once it angled over, cutting stamina short, while flat and low-flat bit setups traded that problem for a build that could lose everything on a missed first hit. A handful of alternate ratchet-bit pairings were floated as personal favourites, but none were tested head-to-head, so no build was confirmed as the strongest.
Argued, never settled
- Hell's Hammer 9-80DB
- Hell's Hammer 9-60/3-60 LF
- Hell's Hammer 1-60H
- Hell's Hammer 1-80Q
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HMS Combo
For a blader with a fresh set of HMS parts, DEMS paired with Sea Drake's weight disc was named the strongest option by a wide margin, with a DJ Spiker build on Circle Heavy and Metal Semi-Flat Core offered as a distinctly weaker fallback.
- DEMS with Sea Drake's WD
- AR: DJ Spiker / WD: Circle Heavy / RC: Metal Semi-Flat Core
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HMS Combo
Wolborg MS was judged strong enough to use uncustomized, with the tip that launching it opposite the rival's spin direction lets it steal spin; an upper-attack alternative combining it with Dragoon MS and Circle Wide was suggested for a player without spare Wolborg copies, while Metal Attacker was dismissed as a weak choice of attack ring.
- Dragoon MS AR with Wolborg MS parts
- AR: Wolborg MS / WD: Circle Wide / RC: Dragoon MS
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is this combo good?
Feedback on an untested Vanish Bahamut Zone'+Z build recommended swapping the 7 Armor for 3 Armor to suit a stamina focus, praised the combo's spin-stealing and left-and-right defense potential as strong enough to carry a tournament on its own, while one reply also cautioned that the stat-tracking site used to check its burst resistance might not be fully reliable.
- Vanish Bahamut Giga/Over Zone'+Z (7 Armor)
- Vanish Bahamut Giga/Over Zone'+Z (3 Armor)
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ltd attack combo
Building a Limited-format attack combo around a non-4D Hasbro Cosmic wheel, the builder confirmed with others that gimmick-equipped Cosmic wheels are banned under LTD rules and that the roughly 42-gram build sat close to the format's weight cap, though whether swapping in L-Drago Guardian Spark FX's Energy Ring and Fusion Wheel would actually improve it was never confirmed.
- Cosmic (Hasbro, non-4D) LTD combo
- L-Drago Guardian Spark FX Energy Ring + Fusion Wheel swap
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Luinor L4 Testing and Discussion
An early completed test had Luinor L4 on an attack driver losing four-to-one to left-spin Spryzen Requiem S3, leading the tester to conclude L4 should instead be tried on defensive drivers going forward, though the fuller planned test series was never reported.
- Luinor L4 0Bump Destroy
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Mechanism of Evolving/Duplicating a Combo!
Posters tried mapping an Imperial-based stamina build onto the Limited and Classic formats by swapping in role-equivalent parts like Alter Cronos and Neptune, and others contributed their own similarly reasoned defensive and stamina builds, but the ideas stayed theoretical, with no battle results reported to confirm any of them actually worked.
Argued, never settled
- Imperial Achilles 00 Expand Destroy'
- Alter Cronos 00 Expand Destroy'
- Neptune/Nova Neptune Spread Destroy
- World Lucifer Mobius 2B(stationary)
- Cho-z Achilles 8'wall eternal
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Outer Testing and disscussion
Round after round with the Outer disc showed it performing poorly for attack, well for defense, and only middling for spin equalization, leading the original tester to conclude Outer should stay unbanned; a responding poster argued the comparisons used mismatched opponents and that a fair case for unbanning needed a mirrored combo built without Outer for direct contrast.
Argued, never settled
- Spryzen
- Gianon
- Dragoon
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potential deck (3on3)
A player asked for feedback on a three-Beyblade deck built from parts they owned, and another poster suggested swapping in Chain Dragon, Vanish Achilles and Guilty Longinus combinations instead, but no battle testing of the revised deck had been reported.
- astral valkyrie2 nexus+s quattro'-2
- chain dragon over wave'-2
- Burst Dragon Over Quattro'
- Vanish Spriggan2 Illegal Wave'
- Guilty Longinus Spread' Metal Xtreme
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Rate my customizations
Responders suggested the Kassatsu Doragoon upper-attack custom would work better with an SG Metal Change base and 10-Heavy disk instead of the MG weight disk, since Customize Metal Change was judged too tall for effective upper attack, while another poster disputed that the Death Angel build could ever beat a well-built Zombie-type combination, calling its endurance base weak and its centered weighting bad for survival even though the builder said it worked against his local competition.
Argued, never settled
- Death Angel: Tiger Defense (Jumping Base version) AR / 10 Heavy WD / Right Spin Gear SG / SG Sharp Base BB
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Rise Driver Testing
Testing found a heavy build on the Rise driver sweeping matches against two different opposite-spin attackers even after losing stamina from being hit around, and other posters agreed Rise grips the stadium floor well against attack types, though it was flagged as prone to self-knockout in stamina battles unless the launch angle is adjusted.
- Dynamite Ragnaruk (F-Gear), 6, Nexus, Rise
- Mirage Fafnir, 2B, Ev'
- Judgement Joker, 0Hit, Ev'
- DVl(F).Ov.Rise.3
- DBl2(F).Ov.Rise.3
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special smash/attack combination
A Dark Effigy G / 10 Heavy / Magnacore / Galzzly combination was reported to win or tie against a Bistool, a Trygle-based build, a Sparkling Attacker and an Orca Diver using a one-hit-KO 'Gattyaki' launch, but posters disputed the reason for its success, with one arguing the opposing builds were simply weak and another insisting the Magnacore itself was what made the build strong.
Argued, never settled
- Dark Effigy G (bit chip) 10 Heavy WD Magnacore RC Galzzly BB
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Ultimate Valkyrie combos
Members shared a set of blade, core, and armor pairings they considered viable for Ultimate and Valkyrie II parts in current tournament format, generally favouring Nexus+S or Giga discs with Bearing', Xtend+', Zone'+Z, or Drift drivers over the Legacy disc, with little disagreement among the suggestions offered.
- Ultimate Perseus Nexus+S(Fixed) Xtreme'/Quick' -9
- Ultimate Kerbeus Nexus+S(Fixed) Metal Xtreme -9
- Savior Valkyrie II Giga/Fortress Xtreme'/Quick' -2/3/9
- Xiphoid Valkyrie II Giga/Fortress Xtreme'/Quick' -0/2/9
- Astral Valkyrie II Giga/Over Never -0/2/3/9/10
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Which's Better Stamina Layer Deathscyther/Doomscizor Or DarkDeathscyther/DoomscizorD2
Most replies agreed Dark Deathscyther/DoomscizorD2 is the stronger overall choice thanks to better knockout and burst defense from its rounder, sloped design, even though Deathscyther/Doomscizor historically had the higher raw stamina ceiling, popular enough in Japan to get formally banned, at the cost of bursting more easily.
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Zone'+Z VS. Drift/Metal Drift
Repliers generally agreed Zone'+Z gives better same-spin stamina and KO defense while Drift favours life-after-death and burst resistance despite its recoil and Metal Drift's fragile teeth, but the comparison rested on personal impressions rather than structured round counts, and one poster pushed back on the vague use of the term stamina without it being defined.
Argued, never settled
- Vanish Fafnir Tp ???-3
- Vanish Bahamut Karma ???-10
- Vanish Bahamut Giga ???-6
- Vanish Bahamut Tapered ???-3
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Astro, Artemis, Aether Testing and Discussion
Every fusion variant of Astro and Artemis A4 tested lost heavily in stamina trials against Balkesh, Caynox, Fafnir and Garuda, typically winning only one round in ten or fewer, and a separate large-scale ranking of stock Slingshock combinations placed Astro and Artemis near the bottom of the field, confirming the layers underperform regardless of which chip or eye configuration is used.
- Left Astro A4 Sting Liner-S
- Right Artemis A4 Sting Liner-S
- Right Astro A4 Sting Liner-S
- Left Artemis A4 Sting Liner-S
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Best Defensive Combinations
Alter Chronos with a 0/2/4/5/7 chassis and a Cross or Glaive Atomic/Orbit driver was recommended for right-spin defense, and Arc Bahamut with the same chassis range and Bearing for left-spin defense; Alter Chronos was noted to have fallen from top tier to mid tier but to remain competitive on its teeth, stamina and low-recoil shape.
- Alter Chronos 0/2/4/5/7 Cross/Glaive Atomic/Orbit
- Arc Bahamut 0/2/4/5/7 Bearing
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Beyblade DB Combo
Reviewers found a proposed Dynamite Belial build mismatched: pairing Nexus with an S Gear was called too jagged for spin equalizing, and its low height combined with a plain Xtend+ driver was said to cause scraping, with High Xtend+' or discs like Over, Giga, Rise or Mobius suggested instead.
- Dynamite Belial (F-Gear) Low Mode | Nexus (S Gear) | Xtend+
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Big Bang Genesis Testing and Discussion
Over ten rounds, Big Bang Genesis on Sting Ultimate Reboot' lost decisively to a left-spin Master Spriggan on 00Cross Xtend+, winning only 20% of the time and mostly through self-knockouts rather than genuine offence. A commenter suggested swapping to the Xtend+ driver for better results, but that change was not yet tested in the replies shown.
- Big Bang Genesis Sting Ultimate Reboot'
- Master Spriggan (Left Spin) 00Cross Xtend+
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Combo
A poster opened a general invitation to share and photograph combinations and offered one untested plastic-category build, but other members pointed out an existing spot covering the same subject and the conversation closed there without any evaluation of the build.
- Master Draciel AR / Dragoon F WD / Dragoon V Base / Driger F tip
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Combo comments
A Libra 145 Rubber Flat build meant to use Libra's weight while working around Rubber Flat's control issues was shared for feedback, and members suggested testing it against Storm Pegasis 105RF or trying D125/CH120 tracks instead, but no results from those suggestions were ever reported back.
- Libra 145 Rubber Flat
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Diabolos vs 極 (Goku) Testing
Matched testing on Bushin bases with Outer disks and Orbit drivers found Diabolos beating the equivalent Valkyrie 極 (Goku) setup in the large majority of rounds, mostly by knockout, though the tester was explicit that this was casual exploration rather than a competitive combination recommendation.
- Bushin Diabolos.Outer.Orbit
- Bushin Valkyrie 極.Outer.Orbit
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Dranzer S best combo?
A blader experimenting with Dranzer S found low needle-based setups underwhelming and eventually preferred a 3-60 Taper launched flat as the best performer against defence and attack types, but it still lost consistently to stamina builds like Dransword and Hellscythe, leaving that matchup unsolved; other repliers noted launch-angle tricks matter less than in earlier generations.
Argued, never settled
- Dranzer S 3-60 N
- Dranzer S 4-80 Needle/Taper/Flat
- Dranzer S 3-60 T (flat launch)
- Hellscythe 4-60 T
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Evipero and Unicrest U2 Testing and Discussion
Extensive win-rate testing pitted lightweight Valtryek and Xcalius attack builds against Kerbeus K2 and Unicrest defence builds across several driver pairings, with the defence builds winning most match-ups by wide margins, leading the tester to conclude Hasbro's Unicrest layer performs on par with, and sometimes better than, the more hyped Kerbeus K2.
- Valtryek Triple Xtreme
- Xcalius Force Xtreme
- Valtryek Gravity Xtreme
- Xcalius Gravity Xtreme
- Kerbeus K2 Knuckle Needle
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Feedback wanted for a Plastic Beyblade customisation
Feedback on a worn-tip Upper Dragoon build on a (6) Heavy disk with a Roller Attacker base was mixed: one blader linked its resilience to the added weight of a Draciel Fortress-style base, while two others called it simply a bad combination, though not the worst, with no side settling the matter.
Argued, never settled
- Upper Dragoon / (6) Heavy / Roller Attacker (worn tip)
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How to make a combo
A guide walked through choosing a wheel, track and bottom to match an intended role, using Pegasis 145RF as a worked example of a build the author judged to have strong force-smash points, but a reply disputed that reading, insisting Pegasis has always been used as a straightforward attack wheel rather than a force-smash one.
Argued, never settled
- Pegasis 145RF
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Is this a viable combo for Xcalius?
Responses to a Hasbro-only Xcalius build judged the starting 13/Vortex/Iron setup weak, recommending Xcalius X3 paired with 7/0/10 discs and Meteor, Star or Bump frames instead, or a stationary version run on Atomic or Atomic-S, while noting X3 is outclassed by Noctemis N3, Luinor L3 and Xcalius X4 outside Hasbro-only play.
- Xcalius X3 2/7/0/10 Bump/Meteor/Star Xtreme
- Xcalius X3 on Atomic or Atomic-S
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MSF-H Revizer Genbull BD145RS(Defensive Combo)
Tests reported this Revizer Genbull BD145RS defensive build scoring 14 knockouts to 4 outspins against a Flash Orion attacker and 16 knockouts to 1 outspin against a Diablo Kerbecs rival, but experienced members dismissed it as an unoriginal defense build already established at the top tier with better tip options such as RDF, RB, RSF or CS than the RS tested here, and asked for testing against a leading stamina rival instead.
Argued, never settled
- MSF-H Revizer Genbull BD145RS
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My sucky HMS combo that needs some feedback
A stamina-defence build was said to be held back only by its weak attack ring rather than its base, with the fix recommended being to keep the Grip Flat Core but swap in Metal Upper with Circle Wide, while a separate endurance build was told to replace Metal Saucer with a stronger ring as well.
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Poison Testing/Discussion
Head-to-head testing against Earth Aquario had Poison Serpent lose 8 of 10 rounds by outspin in both its 100R2F and DF145R2F setups, leading testers to conclude its closed-in teeth don't generate enough smash attack and to rank it alongside Dark as an underwhelming attack wheel.
- Poison Serpent 100R2F vs HMF Earth Aquario C145WB
- Poison Serpent DF145R2F vs HMF Earth Aquario C145WB
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Superior HMS Combo
The original poster proposed an attack build combining two attack rings with a running core, but a reply argued the Advance Guardian ring was weak and that Advance Eterner's ring would perform better, without further testing to confirm either claim.
Argued, never settled
- Advance Guardian + Advance Striker + Advance Eterner
- Advance Defense + Advance Attack + Advance Endurance
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Tide Treptune T3 Testing and Discussion
Tide Treptune T3 beat the Spiral, T4, Balkesh and Kerbeus versions it faced on matching Orbit or Revolve drivers, but lost heavily to Caynox and lost both of its Xtend-S match-ups against Xcalius, leading one commenter to place it as no better than a second-tier part overall in the Hasbro metagame.
- Tide Treptune T3 0C.O
- Tide Treptune T3 0.R
- Tide Treptune T3 0C.Br
- Spiral Treptune sT 0C.O
- Treptune T4 0C.O
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What would be the best defense combo?
Replies recommended heavy, low-recoil defense wheels across different eras, such as Death, Wing, Basalt/Twisted or Duo, plus Earth or Hasbro's Dio for the Limited format, while a later reply aimed at a Burst-era build instead favoured the Perfect Phoenix layer on 00Cross Xtend+ in stamina mode, with Duo on Aquario/Bull/Kerbecs Bearing Drive named as a strong all-round stamina and defense option.
- Twisted Tempo
- Perfect Phoenix (Revive Phoenix core, Dead Phoenix armor) 00Cross Xtend+
- Duo Aquario/Bull/Kerbecs Bearing Drive
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[BSL] Nightmare Longinus Testing & Discussion
Testing Nightmare Longinus with the Turn frame on both Xtreme' and Evolution drivers against several same-spin stamina, defense and balance hybrids found it winning most matchups by knockout or burst, including a 90 percent win rate against Geist Fafnir, but it lost decisively to Maximum Garuda on Keep', which walled its attacks. The tester concluded Nightmare Longinus remains a strong same-spin KO attacker but is clearly countered by heavier defensive builds like Maximum Garuda.
- Nightmare Longinus Turn Xtreme'
- Nightmare Longinus Turn Evolution
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[Burst test] VS Kerbeus Heavy Defense
Across several right-spin attack builds tested against Kerbeus Heavy Defense, only Valkyrie Spread Accel reached a majority win rate at 60%, while Ragnaruk and Spriggan variants stayed between 30 and 40%. The tester concluded Kerbeus is very hard to eliminate unless burst early, and that Valkyrie's own burst system wears down quickly in the process of beating it.
- Ragnaruk Wing Accel
- Spriggan Central Accel
- Ragnaruk Wing Fusion
- Spriggan Spread Accel
- Ragnaruk Spread Accel
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A combo....
Ash built a combo around Metal Driger with the 8 Spiker attack ring and a Semi-Flat base, reporting a win in a three-way battle, but NAP argued a single three-way match settles nothing and questioned pairing a left-spin ring with right-spin gear.
Argued, never settled
- Metal Driger / 8 Spiker / 10 Heavy / Basic Right Gear / SG Semi-Flat Base
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Any combo to Ds. Doomscisor D2?
aggregor941 asked for a combo to beat an opponent's D2.V.J build, and other bladers recommended R2.H.S or sX.4M.I as strong counters, noting that Hasbro's D2 is especially prone to bursting when hit by a strong attack combination.
- D2.V.J
- dF.4M.R
- M2.Q.Ir
- R2.H.S
- sX.4M.I
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Ball Tips for Stamina Types?
Testing a ball-shaped tip against a cone-shaped one in Limited format found the ball tip performed worse for the stamina side overall, dropping from a 45% baseline win rate to 20% against the same attack opponent because it lacked a dish to tilt into for friction and was more prone to knockouts, though once it survived the early exchanges it held stamina better than the cone; the tester called the results inconclusive and wanted more data, and others debated whether short, free-spinning ball drivers like Yard were genuinely good or just interesting in theory.
Argued, never settled
- BC (cone baseline)
- VL (cone baseline)
- Ball-tip build
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Best mfl Defense combos
Suggested Metal Fight defense builds included Earth Unicorno with a 239WD track/bottom and Gravity Destroyer with 105W2D, plus Earth Gill with ED145RSF or 230WB, though one member admitted the Earth Unicorno suggestion was untested and only planned for later.
- Earth Unicorno 239 wd
- Gravity destroyer 105 w2d
- earth gill ed145 rsf
- earth gill 230 wb
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Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos - Updated 7/1/2014
This tracked how the metagame standard shifted across several revisions, from earlier Lightning L-Drago and Vulcan Horuseus attackers with Earth/Burn Bull defense through later Wyvang, Balro, Bahamdia and Revizer/Killerken/Genbull builds, adding, moving or dropping entries as new results came in rather than fixing one permanent ranking.
- MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/W145/H145) (R2F/RF/LRF)
- MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) BD145 (RDF/RB)
- MSF-H Revizer (Revizer/Killerken) E230 (RDF/RSF/CS/RB)
- MSF-(H/L) Girago Girago BD145 RF
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Disc Contact Combos
Bladers testing builds meant to make the disk touch an opponent's layer found the trick rarely does anything useful and does not meaningfully stop bursts, with the one exception being Paradox, whose shape can reset teeth a little and support a workable attack setup; deliberate disk-contact combos otherwise underperformed.
- Dangerous Belial II Karma Wave' Perfect Gear
- Tempest Solomon Nexus-S Quattro 1S
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Draining Dragoon! A plastic testing thread
A spin-steal attack build combining Spike Dragon, Wide Defense and a Heavy-Metal-Core Neo Left SG with a Spiral Change Base won the large majority of its rounds against both a similar attack build and a stamina build, with the tester tracing an earlier self-knockout report other bladers had made to the stadium's ridge shape rather than the driver's magnet, and noting untested variants might do better or worse.
- Spike Dragon / Wide Defense / Neo Left SG (HMC) / Spiral Change Base
- Tiger Defenser / Ten Heavy / Neo Right SG (North Magnecore) / Defense Ring / Customize Metal Sharp Base
- Tiger Defenser / Ten Heavy / Right Engine Gear (Circle Survivor) / Normal Base / Circle Survivor
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Galaxy Zeutron Z4 Testing and Discussion
Stamina testing had Galaxy Zeutron Z4 losing most of its matchups against Caynox C3, Balkesh B3, Garuda G3 and Spryzen Requiem S3, frequently by bursting. A later reviving post found it still lost badly to Twin Nemesis but suggested it could serve as a fallback pick once several stronger layers were banned from a format.
- Galaxy Zeutron Z4 7 Bearing
- Galaxy Zeutron Z4 7 Atomic
- Zeutron Z4 7Wall Bearing
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Infinite Achilles testing and discussion
This early import-copy tester posted the same stock/shield/sword comparison against Mirage Fafnir seen elsewhere, again showing the Sword attachment giving Achilles its best result against a stock loss with nothing attached. Once other posters noticed a separate testing thread already existed for the same layer, they redirected attention there instead of continuing here.
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (nothing)
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (shield)
- Mirage Fafnir vs Infinite Achilles (sword)
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Is bR.4f.br a good combo?
Replies judged that pairing Bearing with a stamina-wing layer on either build would burst too easily from recoil against right-spin opponents, though Bearing was said to fare better against left-spin attackers, and recommended running Caynox C3 in its stock form without the Flow disk as the sturdier defensive choice instead.
- bR.4f.br
- l2.4f.br
- Caynox C3 stock (no Flow)
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Is Sting Unicorn 9-60 Ball a good Stamina combo?
Community members rated Sting Unicorn on the 9-60 Ball bit as a solid stamina build, noting the Orb version performs even better and citing its use in a Hasbro tournament win in Spain, while ranking it as roughly the third-best stamina option in the format behind SilverWolf and WizardRod.
- Sting Unicorn 9-60 Ball
- Sting Unicorn 9-60 Orb
- Gale Wyvern 9-60 Ball
- Leonclaw 5-60 Orb
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Jail Jormungand Testing & Discussion
Across two twenty-round trials, Jormungand edged out Victory Valkyrie both times, first 65% to 45% and again 55% to 45% once Valkyrie was switched to a fresher X' driver more typical of what players actually use. The tester noted a stronger recoil spring made the layer better protected but slightly slower, and concluded on this evidence that the layer deserves a second look rather than being written off for weak burst resistance.
- Jail Jormungand (Om from Dread Bahamut) vs Victory Valkyrie
- Jail Jormungand vs Victory Valkyrie K X'(Fresh)
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one of my best combos
A blader described a defensive-attack hybrid built from Driger Gatling's attack ring, a Magnet Weight disc and a left-spin Dragoon Galaxy Engine Gear base, saying the reversed rotation deflected incoming attacks while still giving strong upper-attack power, though it couldn't win extended stamina battles; when he asked how to recreate the effect with Metal Fight parts, he was told the underlying mechanism doesn't translate since the part designs differ too much.
- Driger Gatling Magnet Weight Left-Spin Engine Gear (Dragoon Galaxy) Dragoon Galaxy Turbo
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Phoenix P4 Testing and Discussion
A tester weighed Phoenix P4's Revive Armor, Revive Core and full layer, then set up same- and opposite-spin stamina rounds against Caynox C3, Balkesh B3, Garuda G3 and Spryzen Requiem S3 plus a KO-attack comparison against Xcalius X3, alongside a repeated Cross Friction-S versus Glaive Destroy match-up whose win percentages were corrected between posts. Weights and the match-up plan were recorded, but the stamina results themselves were not summarized in what was posted.
Argued, never settled
- Phoenix P4 0Cross Friction-S (non S mode)
- Spryzen Requiem S3 7Glaive Destroy
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Plastic Gens Burst Combos
A builder proposed four Plastic Gens Burst combinations, one per type: Dragoon Fighter Sting Needle-S for attack, Draciel F 10 Yard-S for defense, Driger F 0 Orbit for balance and Wolborg 8 Fusion-S for stamina, sourced from specific listed parts still being ordered. The combinations were presented as a build plan rather than tested results, and a later post ran an older plastics-generation bey against each proposed type without reporting outcomes.
- Dragoon Fighter Sting Needle-S
- Draciel F 10 Yard-S
- Driger F 0 Orbit
- Wolborg 8 Fusion-S
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Restricted Format Combos
Two builds were proposed for a parts-restricted ruleset, one aimed at pure survival and one at attack, followed by a third defensive variant using different bit and wheel choices, but a member questioned the point of restricted builds at all since most players customize within whatever they own regardless, and a moderator closed the topic noting the restricted ruleset itself had never been finalized.
Argued, never settled
- Tornado Balance Survival Combo (3rd Mold, Advanced Balancer, 17g CWD, Cog Shaped One from RBA 1, Metal Sharp Core)
- Tornado Balance Type S Attack Combo (3rd Mold, Slash Upper, CWD, Defense Ring, Flat Core MAMS)
- 3rd Mold, Jiraiya Blade, 17g CWD, Free Survivor, Metal Sharp Core
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Suprisingly good combos
The original poster claimed Dark Bull 125 SD performed better than its reputation suggested, and another blader offered Basalt 90 RF as a similar surprise pick, but a third poster countered that Dark Bull 125SD loses to common wave-one attackers like Storm Pegasis 105RF and Rock Leone. Neither claim was tested on the record, leaving the disagreement unresolved.
Argued, never settled
- Dark Bull 125 SD
- Basalt 90 RF
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Terrible Burst classic Combos that are really good
A poster argued three overlooked Burst Classic combinations were secretly strong: Xcalius on Magnum Wedge-S for attack, Tyros T2 on Polish Destroy for defense and spin equalization, and Diomedes on Gravity Xtreme for burst attack, citing a past win over a stock Balkesh B3. Another regular tester dismissed all three as merely acceptable rather than genuinely good, leaving the claim unsettled.
Argued, never settled
- Xcalius Magnum Wedge-S
- Tyros T2 Polish Destroy
- Diomedes Gravity Xtreme
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The Evolution of Right-Spin Attack in DB/BU BST testing
Repeated matchups against a Dynamite+F Belial stamina/defense build showed the right-spin attack layers Ultimate and Xiphoid winning more rounds than they lost, while Savior lost most of its rounds; the tester concluded Savior's recoil hurts its burst resistance in the current metagame while Ultimate and Xiphoid looked more competitive.
- Savior Belial 2 Karma Quick'-3
- Dynamite+F Belial3 Over Bearing Drift-9
- Ultimate Belial 2 Nexus+D Quick'-3
- Xiphoid Kerbeus Giga Metal Xtreme-10
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THE fusion/combo...
A new poster asked for help beating a friend's Phantom Byxis 230WD, which the community generally considers a weak, easily-beaten combination that only performs well in biased Hasbro stadiums. A reply recommended switching to Duo Uranus 230WD or experimenting with the Death metal wheel, which can interfere with an opponent's spin, but no results from trying these suggestions were reported.
- Phantom Byxis 230WD
- Duo Uranus 230WD
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Union (Gen) Testing and Discussion [BSL]
Testers found Union's Speed mode weak on defensive drivers, losing badly to Twin Nemesis and Drain Fafnir on Orbit and Destroy, but more competitive as a mixed attacker on Assault' and Unite, splitting close matches with Alter Chronos and Shining Amaterios; a later look at Union's Power mode judged it similar to Twin Nemesis but with better burst resistance and less overall utility.
- Union Achilles.Outer.Orbit Gen
- Union Achilles.Outer.Destroy Gen
- Union Spriggan.00Bump.Xtreme' Gen
- Union Spriggan.00Bump.Unite Gen
- Union Spriggan.Outer.Assault' Gen
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Universe-SPM Testing and Discussion
Using Universe-SPM's height as a bullet-style substitute worked well against dedicated KO attackers, sweeping Victory Valkyrie and a stand-in Quetziko combo, but the driver lost badly to dedicated and even non-dedicated stamina combos such as Kerbeus, Doomscizor and Zillion Zeus. A follow-up sweep of Spryzen S2 confirmed strong resistance to direct attacks paired with weak same-spin stamina, which the tester attributed to the driver's free-spinning dish scraping late in battles.
- Yegdrion Y2 Yell Universe-SPM
- Victory Valkyrie Triple Xtreme
- Kerbeus Spread Eternal-S
- Doomscizor D2 Gravity Yard-S
- Quetziko Q2 Force Evolution-SP
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What are the best right spin burst combos
One reply ranked right-spin attack builds into S, A+ and A tiers, putting Guilty Longinus on Giga/Fortress/Illegal Xtreme' or Quick' at the top, with Xiphoid, Ultimate and Savior Kerbeus-family builds one or two tiers below depending on the disc and driver used, presented as settled tournament-proven rankings rather than a personal opinion.
- Guilty Longinus Giga/Fortress/Illegal Xtreme'/Quick'
- Xiphoid Kerbeus/Belial2/Perseus/Valk2 Giga/Fortress/Illegal Xtreme'/Quick'/Metal Xtreme
- Ultimate Kerbeus/Belial2/Perseus/Valk2 Nexus+S/D Xtreme'/Quick'/Metal Xtreme
- Savior Kerbeus/Belial2/Perseus/Valk2 Giga/Nexus+S/D Xtreme'/Quick'/Metal Xtreme
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WOuld this be a good combo
After correcting the build's name to Flash Tempo on the Horigium metal wheel with an X:D tip, bladers agreed the combination underperforms across the board and recommended an RF or R2F tip on a low spin track instead, or Twisted on 230CS if the Twisted wheel had to be kept.
- twisted flash x:d
- Flash Tempo/Horigium X:D
- Twisted 230CS
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(Hasbro Exclusive) Orpheus O2 Testing and Discussion
Testing found Orpheus O2 competitive against Caynox C3 and, unexpectedly, able to take a majority of rounds against Jormuntor J2, one of Hasbro's stronger dual layers, while losing heavily to both spin directions of Spryzen Requiem S3 and to Fafnir F3.
- Orpheus O2 7Cross Atomic
- Orpheus O2 7 Bearing
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a good combination
A brief exchange about Lightning L-Drago C145WD noted that despite its name Wide Defense functions more as a stamina bottom, that Lightning carries too much recoil for stamina or defense roles, and that C145 is a top-tier track only for defensive builds.
- Lightning L-Drago C145WD
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A miscellaneous Burst Lightwieght testing thread
Under a house rule capping discs at 20 grams, the lightweight Dragon build won convincingly against a Defense-mode Fafnir setup but only tied roughly even against a weak-launched, lighter-disc Fafnir configuration, suggesting its stamina edge depends heavily on how hard the opponent is launched rather than being a clear-cut advantage.
- RD5.StB.X
- B3.11T(Defense).At
- F3.11C.At
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a wierd combo >.>
A blader removed the attack ring from a Sparkling Attacker and mounted the rest on a Bistools semi-flat base with a 10B weight disc, reporting it performed better than expected, but before he could retest as asked the attack ring broke, leaving the improvised base's real strength unconfirmed.
Argued, never settled
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Basic Customization Tips For Newbies
A beginner's guide laid out general customization principles for Metal Fight Beyblade — rounder shapes cut recoil, heavier builds hold stamina longer, and medium height avoids scraping the stadium floor — plus how the wheel, track and tip combine into a bey's name, without recommending or testing any specific combination.
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beyblade endurance combo(sharp/Metal sharp)mfb and plastic :)
A blader reported that a Gekiryu-oh / 10 Wide / Metal Sharp plastic-HMS build stopped Trygle and Master Draciel attack combinations from spinning while staying in the stadium, calling it good defensively, and separately asked for improvements to a Libra/Pegasis MFB build; the only MFB reply simply noted Aquario's wheel outlasts Pegasis's for endurance.
- Gekiryu-oh (2nd mold) AR + 10 Wide WE + Plain SG + Metal Sharp BB
- Libra Face + Pegasis Wheel + 125 Track + Ball Sharp Bottom
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Devil Blade Testing Thread
A comparison between the Dynamite and Devil blades against Vanish produced mostly tied results with only a couple of decisive rounds either way, and one experienced blader concluded from tournament use that the two are practically interchangeable once worn, with Devil only slightly stronger while both are mint.
- Dynamite-F, Belial II, 3, Tapered, Wave (Low Mode)
- Vanish, Fafnir, 3, Tapered, Wave' (Low Mode)
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dinosaur themed deck
Building a dinosaur-themed deck around Beat Tyranno, Roar Tyranno and Talon Ptera, one blader reported anecdotally that Roar Tyranno on the Level bit knocked opposing defensive builds into the pockets even with an unrefined launch, while another suggested different point counts for Beat and an Elevate bit for Talon, though neither claim was backed by recorded test results.
- Roar Tyranno Level
- TyrannoBeat 9-70
- TyrannoBeat 3-70
- Roar 5-60 LF
- Talon 3-60 Elevate
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DranBuster 7-60 Low Rush be a good combo for a K.O build?
A player asked whether DranBuster on 7-60 Low Rush works for a knockout build, and another blader confirmed it as their standard glass-cannon buster combination: it wins big when it lands its hits and loses badly when it doesn't.
- DranBuster 7-60 Low Rush
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Eternal-S Vs Absorb-S
A claimed comparison between the Eternal-S and Absorb-S drivers, run on two different combinations (Spryzen S4 and Geist Fafnir), was challenged by other bladers for not testing both drivers on the same combination, so no reliable verdict on the drivers themselves came out of it.
Argued, never settled
- Spryzen S4 0 Eternal-S
- Geist Fafnir 8 Absorb-S
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Geist Fafnir 00 expand Hybrid-H ( do you think this combo is good?)
The tester reported the combination winning repeatedly against Spryzen Requiem in opposite spin and against Turbo Achilles across several rounds, calling it a strong build after limited rounds of testing. A reply added that the strategy only holds up with a Hasbro Drain Fafnir or a wheel carrying the Mirage ring, since a Takara Tomy Geist Fafnir cannot legally be mixed with Hasbro parts in competitive play.
- Geist Fafnir 00 expand Hybrid-H
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good combo
A Galaxy Zeus build combining an Atomic chip, D44 forge disc and Bumpy frame was flagged by its own poster as burst-prone, and another noted it would also be banned outright under Burst Classic rules, so the combination was never confirmed as usable.
- Galaxy Zeus Atomic Forge Disk D44 Bumpy
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HMS Upper Attack Combo
This upper-attack build was reported to work fine as built, though Metal Change Core was recommended over Metal Flat Core for noticeably better control without losing much aggression. A separate Smash Leopard and Samurai Changer CWD pairing was confirmed legal but noted to run high recoil and wear on receiver cores, with a grip-type tip suggested to curb its self-knockout risk.
- BP: Jiraiya / AR: Circle Upper / WD: Circle Heavy / RC: Metal Flat Core
- AR: Smash Leopard / WD: CWD (Samurai Changer MS) Upper Mode / RC: Grip Flat Core
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Illegal Combos/Mods
A poster described stacking Jade onto Twisted or Basalt with a long screw as an illegal modification and invited others to share similar mods, but was simply pointed to an existing illegal-customization thread rather than getting new details on how it performs.
- Jade on Twisted/Basalt
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Is this combo competitive? Cho Z Spriggan Outer Rise
Testers judged Cho-Z Spriggan Outer Rise risky against powerful attackers like Zwei Longinus and Judgement Valkyrie since the build is light and its sharp Rise tip is easy to knock around, though Rise's wide disc sometimes prevents knockouts by catching the tornado ridge; it was considered solid for opposite-spin equalizing but weak in same-spin match-ups, with one suggestion to try an Atomic tip instead.
- Cho Z Spriggan Outer Rise
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left spin combos for orbit metal ????
For left-spin Orbit Metal builds, Dread Longinus and Lord Longinus on Sting Orbit Metal were recommended as solid options that still lose easily to right-spin Atomic, Xtend+, Eternal, Ωcta or Bearing combinations, while a separate poster reported success with Zwei BahamutBlitz Orbit Metal Sen and suggested Diabolos as an upgrade over Bahamut if available.
- Dread Longinus Sting Orbit Metal
- Lord Longinus Sting Orbit Metal
- Zwei BahamutBlitz Orbit Metal Sen
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My Best Combos!
Two submitted combinations, one built on Vortex Ape and Burning Kerberous parts and one on Driger G with Dragoon V's base, were called unremarkable, with the reply recommending War Lion or Smash Turtle paired with a bearing spin gear and Wide Defense as a stronger defensive-stamina alternative instead.
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MY COMBOS
A newer blader shared four homemade Plastics-era customizations built from Dragoon, Draciel and Leopard-line rings, disks, gears and bases, and a responder singled out pairing Flash Leopard with a 10 heavy disk and Magnetic Right gear as the strongest of the group while finding one of the others pointless as assembled.
- AR:Master Dragoon / WD:10 Heavy / SG:Magnetic Right / BB:Gaia Dragoon V
- AR:Flash Leopard / WD:8 Heavy / SG:Right / BB:Master Dragoon
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My Defense Combo Beyblade
A player asked whether an unspecified defence build was any good, and the only replies were blunt dismissals calling it outclassed, with no alternative offered.
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Perfect Phoenix (Silver Wing) Testing Thread
Ten rounds against a Cho-Z Achilles combination gave Silver Wing Perfect Phoenix only a 30% win rate, leading the tester to conclude its armor coming off early makes it more suited to defense/stamina roles and weak to some strong attack types, while a second commenter pushed back on ranking it as a strong Defense build given that it still loses to attack types considered too risky for the metagame anyway.
Argued, never settled
- pP.Ω.Xt+
- CZ-A.St.Ch
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PLA - Build me a Combo + 3D question
An experienced player recommended an Orthrus- or Appolon-based right-spin attack build for speed and a Tiger Defenser survivor build (Wide Survivor plus Neo Left casings, with Burning Kerberous's shielded-bearing shaft and a Dragoon V2 or Wolborg 2 base) for stamina, based on experience with the parts rather than head-to-head testing.
- Orthrus AR + right SG + 10 Wide + Seaborg Base (tip inverted)
- Appolon AR + 10 Wide + Grip Base
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rate my combo
After correcting how to properly notate a Metal Fight combination as Libra C145BS, responders pointed out that BS is a stamina bottom rather than a defensive one and recommended switching to WB for the defensive result originally intended.
- Libra C145BS
- Libra C145WB
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Testing Galaxy further
A ten-round test with staggered launches found Galaxy Pegasis on Sliding Shoot beating MF Earth Aquila on 145WD in most rounds by stadium-out and knockout finishes, with Aquila taking two rounds by outspin; a suggestion to try different track heights and bottoms to see if the result held wasn't followed up.
- Galaxy Pegasis W105R2F
- MF Earth Aquila 145WD
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Working on my first deck any thought or opinions?
A blader still waiting on parts shared a planned deck pairing ImpactDrake with Elevate or Level and Rock Golem alongside Phoenix, and feedback split on the Drake bit choice, with one reply favouring Level for Drake's glass-cannon style and another arguing Elevate would not help at all and preferring a straight Rush build, while Rock Golem's ideal track and bit were separately debated between an 080/Under Needle setup and a 260 Hexa pairing matched to the blade's mold.
Argued, never settled
- ImpactDrake 5-60 Elevate
- ImpactDrake 5-60 Level
- ImpactDrake 560 Rush
- Rock Golem 080 Under Needle
- Rock Golem 260 Hexa
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_____ Heavy Accel Combo Test
Twenty-round trials against Kerbeus Spread Defense found the stock Valkyrie Wing Accel benchmark winning 60% of rounds, actually outperforming every customized Heavy Accel build tried on Ragnaruk, Spriggan and Valkyrie, which all landed near fifty percent, with burst finishes accounting for roughly half of all outcomes overall.
- Valkyrie Wing Accel
- Ragnaruk Heavy Accel
- Spriggan Heavy Accel
- Valkyrie Heavy Accel
- Kerbeus Spread Defense
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(Hasbro Exclusive) Istros I2 Testing and Discussion
Testing on a Bearing driver showed Istros I2 losing most matchups against right-spin opponents like Caynox C3 and Xcalius X3, but doing noticeably better against left-spin opponents, taking a majority of rounds against left-spin Spryzen Requiem S3 and against Fafnir F3. A later poster agreed Istros performs better against left-spinners.
- Istros I2 7 Bearing
- Istros I2 7Cross Atomic
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2Cross Testing
TreeJay proposed that the right-spin Cross frame could line up with the 2 disc's protrusions to boost attack combinations, but MonoDragon countered that most core discs already line up with Cross and that 2's centralized weight makes little difference, suggesting the heavier 7 or 0 discs would help attack builds more.
Argued, never settled
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Astral Spriggan And Winning Valkyrie Combos
A proposed disc-and-driver pairing for Winning Valkyrie and Astral Spriggan was rejected by other posters, who argued the driver choice suited Xcalibur better, that the Yielding driver was no longer useful, and that Winning Valkyrie itself was too outdated to be worth building around.
Argued, never settled
- Winning Valkyrie Meteor Ultimate Reboot
- Astral Spriggan Nexus (D gear) Yielding
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Bearing vs Drift?
Responders agreed Bearing and Drift serve different roles rather than one simply outclassing the other: Drift has the strongest opposite-spin defense and resists knockouts unless hard-launched, while Bearing's same-spin stamina is usually stronger, though for pure same-spin stamina Bearing is itself now outclassed by Xtend+ and the newer Zone+Z' disc; Vanish Fafnir Tapered Bearing -6 was offered as a currently viable build.
- Vanish Fafnir Tapered Bearing -6
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Bladers Beware! The Hasbro Combo That Rules Them All! (Balkesh and you)
A guide claimed Balkesh B3 carries the highest defence rating of any Beyblade and can upset high-tier attack combos when paired with a heavy Takara Tomy bearing, but other posters disputed the stated stats outright, said the true maximum defence rating is lower, and named several layers already known to beat Balkesh. No agreement was reached on how strong the build actually is.
Argued, never settled
- Balkesh B3 top layer + Takara Tomy 00 bearing + Hasbro driver
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Epic Combos!
A shared build around Spryzen S3 with Nine and Trans was challenged by another blader, who argued different disk and driver pairings such as Absorb, Atomic or Over, and a different attack layer, would perform better, leaving the original picks disputed.
Argued, never settled
- Spryzen S3 Nine Trans
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Good tornado stalling combos
A member asked for a build that stalls well in the Tornado stadium type and was pointed to Perfect Phoenix on Outer and Volcanic, which the asker confirmed worked well for that purpose.
- Perfect Phoenix Outer Volcanic
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LeonCrest best combos?
Responders recommended running LeonCrest with the 5-60 track paired with either Bound Spike or Point for a balanced setup, and one blader reported that a mobile-defense LeonCrest 7-60T beat them and went on to win its tournament outright, offering it as the stronger recommendation for a first Beyblade X purchase.
- LeonCrest 5-60 Bound Spike
- LeonCrest 5-60 Point
- LeonCrest 7-60T
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Liner-s testing and Discussion
Testing found the Liner-S driver working reasonably well on the rounder Rocktavor R4 but losing badly when paired with Forneus F4 or Luinor L2 against Spryzen Requiem S3 and Galaxy Zeutron Z4. A follow-up reply argued Liner-S is better suited to pure knockout and burst defense than to stamina or attack roles.
- Rocktavor R4 0 Flow Liner-s
- Forneus F4 0 Star Liner-s
- Luinor L2 0 Liner-s
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MF-H Flash Orion GB145RF VS MF-M LDG BD145LF
A test recorded MF-H Flash Orion GB145RF beating MF-M LDG BD145LF 15 knockouts to 5, but a moderator closed the exchange, judging the setups tested weren't relevant to the format's current competitive metagame.
Argued, never settled
- MF-H Flash Orion GB145RF
- MF-M LDG BD145LF
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My best bey combo, looking for advice.
The owner clocked his Spiral Fox Capricorn build spinning close to three minutes with hard-hitting attacks, and the reply he received said the build was already strong enough that further gains would have to come from launch technique rather than swapping parts.
- Spiral Fox Capricorn
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My combos
Asked whether three quickly listed combinations were good, the only substantive reply suggested switching to a Left spin gear on the Dragoon G build and questioned why Galzzly was chosen as a main attack ring at all.
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My new combo(plastic)
The builder hoped aligning Dranzer GT's base points with the Triple Tiger ring would boost upper attack, but the reply explained the points would not meaningfully help the ring and that a Light Sharp tip was the wrong height for upper attack in any case.
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My Plastic Combo
A proposed stamina build pairing a leftward-spinning Flying Defence ring with heavy parts to stay centred drew an explanation that defence customizations split into weight-reliant and grip-reliant approaches, with the reply recommending a Wide Defense disk and a four-metal-ball base as the standard weight-based option.
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Need help building a combo.
Asked to combine Zest Achilles and Guilty Longinus parts, a reply named an attack-mode Guilty Longinus build using the Illegal chassis and Quattro' driver as the strongest option, suggesting Fortress from Zest Achilles could substitute for Illegal there while Illegal itself would suit a stamina build better elsewhere.
- Guilty Longinus Illegal Quattro' (attack mode) -2
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Needle, Massive, Defense Comparison Testing
Mirror-match testing on Spriggan and Ragnaruk found the Defense driver consistently outlasting both Needle and Massive in burst resistance and raw spin time, credited to its surrounding ring adding stability, while Needle and Massive performed close to each other; a separate poster added that Needle still has real attack potential in other combinations despite the weaker stamina shown here.
- Spriggan Armed Needle
- Spriggan Armed Defense
- Spriggan Armed Massive
- Ragnaruk Heavy Needle
- Ragnaruk Heavy Defense
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neptrius combo
Asked to evaluate Neptrius Wing Variable, both replies agreed the combination is weak because Neptrius bursts very easily on its own, and pairing it with the fast Variable driver only makes that tendency worse.
- Neptrius Wing Variable
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Phoenix P4 Testing Thread
The one match-up posted, Phoenix P4 on Cross Friction-S against Spryzen Requiem S3 on Glaive Destroy, was first reported as a loss for Phoenix and then corrected in a follow-up post to show the opposite outcome, leaving the true win rate unresolved between the two contradictory figures.
Argued, never settled
- Phoenix P4 0Cross Friction-S (non S mode)
- Spryzen Requiem S3 7Glaive Destroy
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Plastic combo
Responders judged this Triple Claw smash-attack build as already the requester's strongest option, suggesting it could improve further by swapping in Wide Defense, HMC and SG Metal Flat 2, Storm Grip or Dragoon Grip Attacker's base, with only an uncustomized Vortex Ape rated as a comparable performer.
- Triple Claw AR / 10-Wide WD / Neo-Right (Vortex Ape) SG / SG Flat BB
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Scythe (Metal Fury) Gil LW160SB Testing
A short match-up gave a stamina-built Earth Unicorno a 60 percent win rate over the Scythe Gil attack build, but other members dismissed the result because it was run in a stadium other than the tournament-legal ones the format calls for.
Argued, never settled
- Scythe Gil LW160BS
- Earth Unicorno 100RSF
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Spryzen Requiem 0 expand yard-s (left spin) Testing
Left-spin Spryzen Requiem on Expand Yard-S lost to Union Achilles, split results with Bushin Dragon and with right-spin Turbo Spryzen, and lost to Wonder Valtryek, leading the tester to call it surprisingly capable at both attack and defense despite weak launch-and-defense stability, while a reply dismissed the build as not good, especially in left spin.
Argued, never settled
- Spryzen Requiem 0 Expand Yard-S (left spin)
- Union Achilles 0 Vortex Xceed Retsu
- Bushin Dragon 7 Expand Variable
- Turbo Spryzen (right) 00 Expand Volcanic-S
- Wonder Valtryek 0 Vortex Volcanic-S
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What is the best Beyblade X combo currently?
Asked for the strongest current Beyblade X build, a reply argued the meta was too balanced for a single best combination but offered SharkEdge on Low Flat and KnightShield on High Needle as preferred builds, plus DranzerSpiral on Needle as a narrow counter to DranSword and SharkEdge that loses to most other match-ups.
- DranSword 3-60 Flat
- HellScythe 4-80 Ball or Taper
- SharkEdge 4-60/80 Low Flat
- KnightShield 3-60/80 High Needle
- DranzerSpiral 3/4-60 Needle
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(MF) Forbidden Bull 90 Mf attack/balance combo
A proposed Forbidden Bull 90 Mf build, reasoned to combine Bull's weight, Forbidden's hitting power, a low 90 track and a Metal Flat tip's speed and stability, was called an interesting idea worth trying by the one reply, who flagged Forbidden's comparatively light weight next to wheels like Torch/Cloud or Midnight/Crash as its main risk, without being able to test it directly.
- Forbidden Bull 90 Mf
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[TBT] [In Progress] What are the true top-tier stamina setups? (BB-10)
The opening post argued Phantom and Duo are essentially tied as the top stamina wheels in the BB-10 stadium, with Duo preferred for lower recoil, and rated W145 with WD or EWD tips as the leading 145-height track/tip pairing while calling TH170 with D tips the standout tall option. A reply narrowed this further, saying BD145EDS and LTSC setups are no longer competitive and that height choice between TH170 and 230 comes down to user preference, but no consolidated list was ever agreed.
Argued, never settled
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Best hasbro combos
Given a list of stock and customized parts the poster owned, another member suggested Maximum Garuda with a 7 Cross chassis and Orbit driver as the strongest build from that collection.
- Maximum Garuda 7 Cross Orbit
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Beyblade MFB stock tier list
An attempt to rank stock, uncustomized Metal Fight Beyblades placed Dark Wolf and Poison Serpent in the lowest tiers and Cyclone Hercelio as low tier among the Metal Masters wheels, though a reply noted an existing ranking of out-of-the-box Beyblades made the new list largely redundant.
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BW HMS Combo Game
A short HMS version of the counter-combo game drew only one reply, proposing Metal Ape with a CWD God Ring and a worn Bearing Core 2 as an untested guess at beating the opening build, and the exchange ended there.
- Bearing Survivor / Circle Heavy / Metal Flat Core
- Metal Ape / CWD God Ring / Bearing Core 2 (Worn)
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Fierce Achilles A8 Competitive Testing & Discussion
After strong tournament results the tester found Fierce Achilles A8 performed well on the lighter 4' Gravity Ring, since Fierce lacks the hanging underside that lets the heavier G13 ring meaningfully raise burst resistance on other blades. The build was also judged notably heavier and more viable than Hasbro's earlier left-spin Roar blade, which never caught on.
- Fierce Achilles A8 4' Gravity Ring
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Grand (Gen) Testing
Testing found the Gen weight base on Grand losing every round for stamina against Twin Nemesis and losing heavily to a mixed attacker on Assault', leading the tester to conclude its stamina was poor enough that it could stay unbanned safely. A later test pairing Grand with Achilles against Alter Chronos went the other way, winning most rounds, though the tester still rated Grand as clearly worse defensively than the related Rock mould.
- Grand Spriggan Outer Orbit Gen
- Twin Nemesis Outer Orbit
- Grand Spriggan Outer Destroy' Gen
- Drain Fafnir Outer Destroy
- Grand Spriggan 00Proof Atomic Gen
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Hasbro Doomscizor Testing
Round-robin testing put Doomscizor Spread Survive at roughly a third of its matches won against several defense setups, with the tester noting the large majority of its losses came from burst finishes rather than being outspun, pointing to weak burst resistance for this energy layer. A second poster confirmed seeing the same easy-bursting behaviour in their own use of the layer.
- Doomscizor Spread Survive
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home made plastic bey combo: is it good for smash attack?
A homemade plastic build with a modified inner base fitted with an HMC, never battle-tested by its own builder, was predicted by one responder to perform well at smash attack and defense but poorly on stamina.
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ImpactDrake Blade Testing Thread
Repeated matches between SilverWolf on a high-needle bit and ImpactDrake on a low-flat bit had SilverWolf ahead in wins and points in nearly every round, some by a wide margin, indicating ImpactDrake struggled against that particular stamina-leaning setup.
- SilverWolf 9-60H
- ImpactDrake 7-60LF
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is this still a valid deck in the new meta?
Checking whether three deck builds remained viable in the current meta, a reply confirmed they were generally fine but recommended dropping Guilty Longinus's High Mode as more of a liability than a benefit, and suggested lighter Armor options in place of what was originally listed on the Vanish and Astral builds.
- Guilty Longinus Nexus+S Xtreme'-0 (High Mode)
- Vanish Bahamut Over Zone'+Z-6 (Low Mode)
- Astral Fafnir Tapered Bearing'-10 (Low Mode)
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My most recent combo for Burst i've been throwing around lately.
A proposed Spriggan, Oval and Fusion combination built around smash-attack recoil was declared bad outright by a moderator who had tried it, who also noted that a build is expected to have match results behind it before it is put forward.
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strange attack combos: good or not?
The builder tried converting the normally defensive Draciel F and MS into attack builds with a wide or ten-heavy weight disk plus an HMC or MWC ring and a defense grip base, but the one reply only noted that Draciel F is already an attack layer, so the idea was never actually tested.
Argued, never settled
- Draciel F
- Draciel MS
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Top 10 burst limited combo (according to ChatGPT)
A member posted an AI-generated top-ten ranking of Burst Limited-format combinations such as Grand Valkyrie 00 Xtend+ and Union Achilles 0 Eternal, and the only reply dismissed the whole list as spam with no real reasoning behind it.
- Grand Valkyrie 00 Xtend+
- Union Achilles 0 Eternal
- Ace Valkyrie 10 Destroy'
- Rock Dragon 00 Xtend+
- Slash Valkyrie 0 Eternal
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What are some good combos with the Earth fusion/metal wheel, and a GB145 spin track?
A single detailed reply laid out Earth-wheel builds for a defense/stamina hybrid on 90CS and a stamina/defense hybrid on TH170/SR200 or B:D, plus separate GB145-track pairings for the Limited format (Gravity Perseus on CF) and the 4D format (Flash Scorpio/Cetus or Diablo Kerbecs on RF/R2F), reasoning that Earth's circular shape and weight suit stamina play while GB145's heaviness pairs well with the Flash wheel.
- MF(L) Earth Cancer/Sagittario II 90 CS
- MF(L) Earth Cancer/Sagittario/Cygnus TH170/SR200 MB/TB
- MF(L) Earth Cancer/Sagittario/Cygnus B:D
- Gravity Perseus(ATK Ver.) GB145 CF
- Flash Scorpio/Cetus GB145 RF/R2F
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What are the best Beyblade combos competitively right now?
Reviewing a proposed pair of three-bey teams, one commenter judged Vanish Longinus on Over Bearing' as the only genuinely competitive build listed, dismissed Metal Destroy as outdated in favour of Quick', Xtreme' or Metal Xtreme, and noted Quatro' only holds up in same-spin matches and works better on a stamina layer like Dynamite+F or Wind than on Zest Achillies.
- Vanish Longinus, Over, Bearing' -0
- Superking Hyperion R, Giga, Metal Destroy -10
- Zest Achillies, Over, Quatro' -4
- (BU) Ultimate Valkyrie 2, Illegal, Metal Destroy' -10
- Superking Hyperion R, Giga, Charge Metal' -0
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What is the best bey combo?
Asked whether one combination dominates the current meta the way certain cards can in a trading card game, a reply said no single build is truly best but named Lord Spriggan and Super Hyperion as widely respected top performers in an otherwise balanced field.
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Zero-g combo: Msf Reviser Killerken sa165 (stamina mode) cs
Twenty-round tests found Killerken Reviser in stamina mode consistently beating Balro Wyvang across s130, ch120 and ch145 tracks, mostly through outspins, and also edging out Meteo L-Drago and Basalt Aquario, surprising the tester who had expected L-Drago to counter it; a reply pushed back hard, arguing a proper Dragooon build would beat the combination badly and questioning why it was posted in the wrong generation's forum.
Argued, never settled
- Msf Killerken Reviser sa156 CS
- Msf Balro Wyvang s130 R2F
- Msf Balro Wyvang ch120 R2F
- Msf Balro Wyvang ch145 R2F
- Meteo L-Drago ed145 WD
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BEYBLADE: Evolution Custom Combo Pictures
A single poster shared a custom combination built in the BEYBLADE: Evolution video game purely for its look, acknowledging upfront that its rubber semi-flat tip and overall build sacrificed stamina and would not be competitive.
- GravityDestroyerTR145RSF
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Competitive Limited Format Combos
This laid out a broad set of combinations considered competitive in the WBO's Limited Format, covering attack builds like Omega and Lightning L-Drago on RF-family drivers, defense and stamina options built around Burn, Earth, Scythe and Duo paired with Cygnus, Cancer or Hades, and heavier Meteo L-Drago and Libra builds on F230, presented as a reference to be updated as further testing came in rather than a finished ranking.
- MF-H Omega [Assault] (Horuseus/Pegasis III) (85/90/100/CH120) (RF/R2F/LRF)
- MF-H Pegasis (CH120/R145) (RF/R2F/LRF)
- Burn (Cygnus/Cancer/Hades) W145 (WD/EWD)
- Meteo L-Drago F230 (CF/GCF)
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Competitive Limited Format Combos
A second posting of the same comprehensive Limited Format list appeared minutes after the first, covering the identical set of Wyvang, Earth, Scythe, Duo, Libra and Bakushin Leone builds across attack, defense and stamina roles, again framed as an evolving reference rather than a settled ranking.
- MSF-H (Shinobi/Gladiator/Dark Knight) Wyvang [Crystal-Up] R145 (RF/R2F/LRF)
- MF-H Earth (Aquario/Cygnus/Cancer/Hades) (85/90/R145/GB145/TH170/230) (RSF/RB)
- Scythe (Cygnus/Cancer/Hades) B:D
- Libra F230 (CF/GCF)
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Epic Beyblade Illegal Customization Combos - Electrum Emperor ι Iota X:D
A blader describes a self-made, 3D-printed build combining parts taken from nine different Beyblades into one balance-type combination, presented as a showcase of the assembly rather than a tested or competitive result.
- Electrum Emperor ι Iota X:D
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Epic Beyblade Illegal Customization Combos - Electrum Emperor ι Iota X:D
This is a repost of the same self-made, 3D-printed build combining parts taken from nine different Beyblades into one balance-type combination, again presented as a showcase rather than a tested result.
- Electrum Emperor ι Iota X:D
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GolemRock Blade Testing Thread
Match after match, GolemRock's 7-60LF setup lost decisively to SilverWolf on 7-60H, usually by a wide points margin, though one closer set ended nearly even. Against a Rod-based opponent the results were similarly lopsided in the other bey's favour, suggesting the tested GolemRock build struggled to keep pace in stamina trades.
- GolemRock 7-60LF (Dran Deck Starter)
- SilverWolf 7-60H
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imagine not having a TT stadium (Meta combo searching and testings)
A blader laid out a testing plan to compare WizardRod on 3-60 versus 9-60 Under Needle for stamina retention, weigh Rod Hexa against Rod Ball in stamina mirrors, and check whether newer non-shaky ratchet molds meaningfully change performance versus older shaky ones, but only the plan was laid out, with no results reported yet.
Argued, never settled
- WizardRod 3-60 Under Needle
- WizardRod 9-60 Under Needle
- WizardRod 3-60 Ball
- WizardRod 9-60 Ball
- Rod Hexa
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KnightLance Testing and Mold Issues
No combination results are given; the opening message only reports a suspected mold defect on a KnightLance copy, a gap that seems to weaken burst resistance plus damaged ratchet plastic, and asks other owners to share mold quality findings before promised testing begins.
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Leopard L4 Testing and Discussion
Stamina testing had Leopard L4 losing every matchup tried, most heavily to Balkesh B3 and Garuda G3, indicating markedly weaker stamina than the standard Hasbro benchmark layers used for comparison.
- Leopard L4 7 Bearing
- Leopard L4 7 Atomic
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Lista Top Tier/Combo Competitive
A single message defines a top-tier combination as one holding the highest win rate against most of a format's metagame and announces upcoming rankings for the Plastics and HMS Metal Wheel eras, without yet naming any specific combination or result.
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Orichalcum O3 Testing and Discussion
Head-to-head stamina rounds showed Orichalcum O3 losing heavily to Caynox C3, Balkesh B3 and Garuda G3 on both Bearing and Atomic drivers, only turning results around against left-spin Spryzen Requiem S3, and its KO-attack setup on Bump Hunter still fell short of the benchmark Xcalius X3 combination against Caynox. The layer came out weak for same-spin stamina and only situationally useful against specific opposite-spin match-ups.
- Orichalcum O3 7 Bearing
- Orichalcum O3 7 Atomic
- Orichalcum O3 00Bump Hunter
- Caynox C3 7 Bearing
- Balkesh B3 7 Bearing
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Point Testing and Discussion
Testing the Point bit across DranSword, SharkEdge, HellsScythe and KnightShield builds found its movement too erratic to control, noted it often started unusually aggressive because of the paired Blade's weight and could occasionally counterattack for a knockout, but concluded it still typically lost late-game by outspin and, despite outlasting Flat, Low Flat and Taper somewhat, did not meaningfully help attack types survive longer as hoped.
- DranSword + Point
- SharkEdge + Point
- HellsScythe B/N with Point swapped in
- KnightShield + Point
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Priority testing list. (BB-10)
This entry only lists combinations the tier-list maintainers still wanted comparison data for, such as Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F against Genbull Dragoon F230 and several Duo E230 tip variants, and reaches no conclusions of its own.
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SlingShock Mode Testing of Stock Combos
A best-of-five round robin between every stock SlingShock combo scored Kraken K4 and Phoenix P4 tied for the top of the point standings and Hercules H4 at the very bottom, giving a rough stock-performance ranking for the line, though no other member added results to confirm it.
- Kraken K4
- Phoenix P4
- Typhon T4
- Fafnir F4
- Nepstrius N4
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Straight to the Point - MS Testing
A single-post test comparing the MS and SD bottoms on the same Flame Bull setup found SD winning 13 of 20 rounds to MS's 7, with SD performing especially well after the track was swapped partway through. The author judged MS better than expected but still inferior overall, and flagged that further testing would be worthwhile.
- Flame Bull DF145MS
- Flame Bull DF145SD
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Try Cutter 8 Heavy SG Semi-Flat ~testing~
Solo testing against stock Master Dranzer, Master Draciel, and Wing Attacker had the Try Cutter 8 Heavy SG Semi-Flat build losing narrowly to Master Dranzer but sweeping the other two, generally knocking opponents off balance rather than out of the stadium outright.
- Try Cutter 8 Heavy SG Semi-Flat
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Variares testing and discussion [TT]
A blader who had just bought Variares (wheel and facebolt only) listed tracks, tips and rival beys on hand, including Jade Jupiter, Phantom Orion and Scythe Cronus, as candidates for future testing, but no battle results appear yet.
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